I thought about this a little more and realized that I don't actually end up stern ways as I'm usuallypulling from the front of the cockpit and pulling into the wind as the boat was anchored bow first withthe painter, so I actually end up more 45 to the wind if not dead into it. I think I could help it a little if after pulling the anchor up from the bottom but not over the side if I could clip the chain onto the chainplates or something....(hmmm curious name :-)to temporarily let it lay dangling off the side, then get up and deal with the sails, while letting the anchor dangle down a few feet so it's not on the bottom, but not in the boat either. Then deal with the sails/motor and get underway and maybe it might even wash the anchor a little, then when I get undiscombobulated, I can deal with cleaning the anchorover the side with my handy dollar store toilet/anchor brush. On Wednesday, January 30, 2019, 11:23:48 AM PST, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote: This is clever... One question though. This puts you stern to wind when finishing retrieving the anchor. So it seems you have to weigh anchor fully before you can set any sail, otherwise the boat is on a run with wind in sails when you're trying to retrieve the anchor. If you leave sails down, then you are blowing with wind and will be sideways to it usually. and have to raise sail in that situation. So how do you transition quickly & easily to sailing after retrieving anchor from stern? Mainly thinking of situations where there's not a lot of space to blow before going aground, so need to start sailing as soon as anchor is up. thanks, John On 01/30/2019 10:38 AM, Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats wrote:
I kind of worked out a way that works for me. I have a 12' painter line on the bow with a stainless carabinerthat I just keep hooked near the cockpit (outside of all the stays, with a sheepshank to take up the slack.) Then I have my rode and and anchor(s) in the locker. I let the anchor go from the cockpit and let out the required scope then put in a small circus bowline or butterfly knot (an inline loop) and hook it up to the painter with thecarabiner and let it therest of the way out, keeping the extra rode in the cockpit. Then when I want to retrieve, I just pull on the rode and pull everything back in, then clip in the painter carabiner. I'm extra lazy and even leave a few loops in at few common scopes and the "last scope" which leaves me enough line to keep it to retrieve it.
As far as anchor stowage, I have the older lockers so plenty of storage in them.
On Wednesday, January 30, 2019, 7:44:42 AM PST, Peter Kick via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: Does anybody have any thoughts on foredeck anchor stowage and modification/ improvement for easy fast safe deployment? My M17 has only a 5 dollar nylon cleat that I can move with my hand ( having tightened everything thoroughly). This set up fails to reflect the boat’s intended use. And it makes me nervous! Thanks Pete S/V Bird Girl Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 30, 2019, at 10:03 AM, Peter Kick <peterkick@aol.com> wrote:
Hey Randy, What was the self steering arrangement he used? Seems to me he said he didn’t have one — but I’d love to know because I want one too! Thanks Pete SV Bird Girl
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On Jan 27, 2019, at 2:17 PM, Randy Sommerfeld <sommerfeldrandy@gmail.com> wrote:
That’s a pretty awesome book, I read it last month. My next goal is to do the self steering set up that is in the book. Randy M-17 No Worries
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From: Steve Trapp Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 12:52 PM To: Peter Zimowsky; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Post Angeles-Victoria crossing
Peter, Read the book, A Little Breeze to the West, about an M-15 sailing from San Diego to Hawaii. Steve M-15 # 335
-----Original Message----- From: Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 9:02 AM To: Dave Scobie Cc: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Post Angeles-Victoria crossing
Wow Dave: Incredible info. Thanks. I will be going with a group of sailboats from the Southern Idaho Sailing Association as we have done for the past two years in August when we launched from Anacortes and looped the SJ islands. This year folks want to hit more Canadian harbors and it sounds like fun. However, as cautious as I am, I’m leery of the crossing from Port Angeles and Victoria. Looks like about 22 miles or so. Even though I’ve crossed over from Sucia to Pember without any problems, I think this crossing might be out of my ability level. I know I don’t give the M15 it’s do, but I seem to always doubt myself. Thanks again, appreciate it.
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On Jan 27, 2019, at 8:36 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Peter:
The things to know about crossing the Juan de Fuca Straits -
#1 understand the wind pattern - late spring, summer and early fall lightest winds are morning to early afternoon. wind builds from the west and likely a SCA to gale in the mid-afternoon through nightfall. In general if it is blowing in the morning don't go. some of the worse winds are in the Race Rocks area. In a westerly once north of this area headed the final way to the Victoria Harbour entrance you starting getting into the lee of Vancouver Island. winds are usually lighter east of the 'constriction' between Race Rocks and the WA coast.
review forecasts the days prior to see how the weather is cycling and the difference between what was predicted and actually happened.
Weather forecasts from NOAA are in three zones for the Strait: west, central and east. the US reports to read/listen are central and east -
central - https://marine.weather.gov/MapClick.php?zoneid=PZZ131#.XE3J5VVKiUk <https://marine.weather.gov/MapClick.php?zoneid=PZZ131#.XE3J5VVKiUk> east - https://marine.weather.gov/MapClick.php?zoneid=pzz132#.XE3JfFVKiUk <https://marine.weather.gov/MapClick.php?zoneid=pzz132#.XE3JfFVKiUk>
the Canadian forecasts use slightly different zone names. East in CN forecasts are the waters north of the NOAA central area -
https://weather.gc.ca/marine/forecast_e.html?mapID=02&siteID=07003 <https://weather.gc.ca/marine/forecast_e.html?mapID=02&siteID=07003>
the Haro Strait CN forecast helps understand what is happening on the NW 'side' of NOAAs East Strait forecast -
https://weather.gc.ca/marine/forecast_e.html?mapID=02&siteID=06100 <https://weather.gc.ca/marine/forecast_e.html?mapID=02&siteID=06100>
further reading that assists one understand the wind's behaviors along the entire Salish Sea -
'Taken By the Wind: The Northwest Coast: A Guide to Sailing the Coasts of British Columbia and Southeast Alaska' by Marilyn Johnson ( https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1532895666/ <https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1532895666/> )
#2 fog: calm winds and warm air means fog. usually this comes up overnight or just as the sun rises. if there is no wind it may never clear. Spring and Fall are the worse fog 'seasons'.
#3 wind against current: if there is a strong west wind against the ebb tide the Strait can get UGLY. same can be said for a flood tide against the rare late spring, summer and early fall easterly blow. FYI - August is commonly called FOGust.
#4 BIG SHIPS GOING FAST. keep an eye out for these ;-) you can listen to VHF channel 5A as large ships will report. you can also let Vessel Traffic know you are in the area if fog and/or heavy winds.
The crossing is doable and has been done, many times, by M15s. During the first run of the Race to Alaska (R2AK 2015) a M15 took part in Sage 1 (Port Townsend to Victoria). The day started winds 20-25kts and seas 2-5'. The dayswas different in the winds moderated - not at all normal. The team crossed with no issues ... and when they arrived i checked their rig: it was way to loose. as it wasn't lost shows you how Jerry overdesinged the rig!
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On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 12:57 PM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <mailto:montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> wrote: Hi all: Planning my cruise in the San Juans and Canada for August. Wondering about launching at Port Angeles and crossing over to Victoria in my M15. Been on several cruises in the SJs but never on this larger open water. Any warnings, advice, suggestions. Thanks all,
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