Gerry, In the case of Honda outboards, the 8 and the 9.9 are identical weights for the x-long 25" shaft. I expect they are the same engine, with the 8 simply being detuned. https://marine.honda.com/outboards/models/portable/bf8-9_9 Tod Mills M17 #408 BuscaBrisas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Wyatt" <wyattgs@gmail.com> To: "montgomery boats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2023 12:01:19 PM Subject: M_Boats: M23 Outboards Hello, I’m not sure how many Montgomery 23 owners are using this list, but I was curious what outboards you use. I’ve been using an 8 hp 2-stroke with 25” shaft, but I can’t find an 8hp 4-stroke with the 25” shaft. Obviously, no one makes a 2-stroke any more. The 9.9 4-stroke has a 25” option but just feels too big and heavy. Thanks, Gerry Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>