Jon, I like your style! ("I offer a welcome aboard attitude.Let's go sailing!") Henry is a fine guy - and a good++ sailor to boot! I am forwarding this mail to Henry - the two of you can make contact and I look forward to seeing BOTH of you here in February! Hope this works for the two of you. Gary Oberbeck gilasailr@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Jon Barber <brbrbarber@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wed, Jan 17, 2018 5:30 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 179, Issue 6 Re: Crew position I am arriving without crew. Would be glad to make a berth on my Monty 17 "Ol'44 available. Let it be known my boat is a work in progress and is not what I would consider to be " Highly tuned". Sails are new and if all goes well I will be hanging a new to me Rudder Craft kick up rudder on the transom. I offer a welcome aboard attitude. Let's go sailing! Jon Barber Modesto, CA Ol'44 Monty 17 209 604 6132 On Jan 16, 2018 11:01 AM, <montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
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Today's Topics:
1. 2018 WICR "15 Fleet" or '<17 Fleet' scoring (Gary Oberbeck) 2. Does anyone need crew for WICR? (Gary Oberbeck)
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Message: 1 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 12:45:47 -0500 From: Gary Oberbeck <gilasailr@aol.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: 2018 WICR "15 Fleet" or '<17 Fleet' scoring Message-ID: <160f0a0a10d-1d3e-49f90@webjas-vac099.srv.aolmail.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
M-15 and S-15 and P-14/15 sailors 2018 WICR
If we have 5 boats in the above noted fleet they will qualifiy for their own scoring/fleet and will not be TLE'd*.
Scoring for the Overall WICR trophy will still be 'low score' for the event - both fleets combined and scored as one.
ALL WrinkleBoats ! (but technically as two fleets) that would be merged for WICR. We would ask for same start time so you are still racing against everyone in the '<17' and '>17' fleets.
*JerryM had an idea ? and since he has so few of those nowadays - I think we ought to use this one! ;>)
Jerry pointed out the 'Time Limit Expired' was an issue for the shorter boats in light air (he really is so thoughtful of you guys!) hence, we will try this - we need 5 or more boats in order to score the 15's as a separate fleet. That will all but eliminate the TLE's for the 15 fleet!
* TLE - Time Limit Expired - Method of keeping the racing start sequence running in a timely manner - It consists of an arbitrary time limit set by the Race Committee (R/C) that cuts off finish time for an individual fleet based on the finish time of the first boat (typically). That first boats finish time starts a clock- added to the finish time is a specified time limit -(usually 20 minutes here in the past) ONLY boats that finish within the TL are scored on' time' (handicap) all others finishing after the TL are assigned a "TLE" score - SOOO if one were to finish 24 minutes after the first place boat you would be scored as a 'TLE' - I believe the same numeric score for all boats finishing after the time expired limit is given as the 'TLE' boats score (I will check - I am not a scoring guru and have been surprised by many a 'tie-breaking decision'!). THIS IS WHY we want to prevent this - it is confusing and not motivating or FUN for the sailors.
5 or more 15's and we have 'heads-up' racing and scoring applied to WICR ! EASY
Don't worry - I have made it sound more confusing (I'm not a great communicator fo' shure!) we will have it all worked out so it is completely transparent and fact checked!!
Have Fun - Go Sailing!
Thank You
GO
Gary Oberbeck gilasailr@aol.com