I LIKE THE IDEA OF SLIDING THE PORAPOTTI UNDER THE COCKPIT. SEALAND DometicR 970 Series Portable Toilets ARE A NEW PRODUCT, NICER THAN THE OLD ONES , BUT AT 12.5 INCHES HIGH , STILL WON'T QUITE FIT UNDER THE COCKPIT. LON SELKIE M-17 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=--= zimco Subject: Re: M_Boats: research One favorite concept of mine is a portapot that slides out from under the cockpit. In the M17, I think it would work well except for the c/b. If only there were another way to run the c/b line so that its tube didn't fill that area. It might be nice if the tube doubled as the mast support under the v-berth (and a stub higher if needed for w/l reasons). Of course, the geometry is off for that but perhaps there is some inventive solution. Then, the battery could be on centerline just fwd of the compression post and there could be more accessible storage compartments built into the aft end of the v-berth. The previous post mentioning the benefits of a cat ketch rig sure seems to have merit too... Charlie Jones, on the TSBB board, has built at least a couple of Graham B_____'s cat ketches and they do seem to do well. I've never sailed that rig. Tod Mills M17 #408, 1987 galley model BuscaBrisas