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1. Re: Pajarita M17 CB removal! (Gary H.Oberbeck) 2. Re: Pajarita M17 CB removal! (jerry montgomery) 3. Re: Pajarita M17 CB removal! (John Schinnerer)
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2025 22:43:30 -0700 From: "Gary H.Oberbeck" <fairandsquare1@gmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Pajarita M17 CB removal! To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <CAJAz-C8FjUhjz2BeOcY+Kn8XWGEuMXY4NbgyQZ8vv2xhUjgQHQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
John,
That board looks great for its age. Should be in fine condition for spring! Have fUn, go sail! GO M-15 ‘Cahoots’ #330
On Mon, Apr 28, 2025 at 9:56 PM John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Hi all,
If you've never seen an M17 CB above the waterline and outside the trunk (or a flying M17 ;-)...here's some pics of mine.
"Pajarita" is at the Toledo (Oregon) shipyard for bottom paint and CB rehab. This morning (with some helicopter parenting on my part) the CB got dropped out. First time I've seen it since I got the boat.
Not bad, but some rust blistering on port side definitely needing attention. There was less, but still a bit, on starboard side.
And now I know (as I suspected) why my keel would never retract fully into the trunk - pennant tied to shackle with a big loopy bowline.
Also, a big giant nylon "washer," on port side only, at the pivot point. You can just see the bottom edge of it starting to show, in the pictures where the board is not fully dropped yet. Don't have a separate pic yet but it's about 8"-9" diameter.
Anyone else have this on their M17, that you know of? Jerry, is that OEM? :-)
cheers, John
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2025 17:01:52 +0000 From: jerry montgomery <jmbn1@outlook.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Pajarita M17 CB removal! To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Cc: John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> Message-ID: <MN0PR84MB31197E7C8B20CA24546E8A5DE6802@MN0PR84MB3119.NAM PRD84.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Definitely aftermarket unless the boat was made by Mr. Egg.
For the CB pennant we used 5/16 line, with the core pulled back a few inches to keep the knot small enough so it wouldn't hang up in the slot, and tied it to the shackle with a double halfhitch. Never a problem that I know of.
Give'em hell. ________________________________ From: John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2025 9:55 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Cc: John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> Subject: M_Boats: Pajarita M17 CB removal!
Hi all,
If you've never seen an M17 CB above the waterline and outside the trunk (or a flying M17 ;-)...here's some pics of mine.
"Pajarita" is at the Toledo (Oregon) shipyard for bottom paint and CB rehab. This morning (with some helicopter parenting on my part) the CB got dropped out. First time I've seen it since I got the boat.
Not bad, but some rust blistering on port side definitely needing attention. There was less, but still a bit, on starboard side.
And now I know (as I suspected) why my keel would never retract fully into the trunk - pennant tied to shackle with a big loopy bowline.
Also, a big giant nylon "washer," on port side only, at the pivot point. You can just see the bottom edge of it starting to show, in the pictures where the board is not fully dropped yet. Don't have a separate pic yet but it's about 8"-9" diameter.
Anyone else have this on their M17, that you know of? Jerry, is that OEM? :-)
cheers, John
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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2025 11:09:00 -0700 From: John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Pajarita M17 CB removal! To: jerry montgomery <jmbn1@outlook.com>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <df6ad7a7-3c58-4581-ad57-275a05d5324f@eco-living.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Thanks for chiming in Jerry!
It's one of your M17s, #38 from 1974.
That giant "washer" has been in there at least since I acquired the boat, which will be 10 years in September. I will just put it back as it was. Have never had any issues with the CB with it there. Maybe it was some prior owner's mod to stop clanking and clunking of the board in the slot?
And also I will de-core the end of the pennant so I can make a smaller tighter knot on the shackle.
thanks, John
On 4/29/25 10:01, jerry montgomery wrote: Definitely aftermarket unless the boat was made by Mr. Egg.
For the CB pennant we used 5/16 line, with the core pulled back a few inches to keep the knot small enough so it wouldn't hang up in the slot, and tied it to the shackle with a double halfhitch. Never a problem that I know of.
Give'em hell. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> *Sent:* Monday, April 28, 2025 9:55 PM *To:* For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> *Cc:* John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> *Subject:* M_Boats: Pajarita M17 CB removal! Hi all,
If you've never seen an M17 CB above the waterline and outside the trunk (or a flying M17 ;-)...here's some pics of mine.
"Pajarita" is at the Toledo (Oregon) shipyard for bottom paint and CB rehab. This morning (with some helicopter parenting on my part) the CB got dropped out. First time I've seen it since I got the boat.
Not bad, but some rust blistering on port side definitely needing attention. There was less, but still a bit, on starboard side.
And now I know (as I suspected) why my keel would never retract fully into the trunk - pennant tied to shackle with a big loopy bowline.
Also, a big giant nylon "washer," on port side only, at the pivot point. You can just see the bottom edge of it starting to show, in the pictures where the board is not fully dropped yet. Don't have a separate pic yet but it's about 8"-9" diameter.
Anyone else have this on their M17, that you know of? Jerry, is that OEM? :-)
cheers, John
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Feco-living.n... <http://eco-living.net/> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsociocracyco... <http://sociocracyconsulting.com/>
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
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