I'm not against paying for stuff, it's just not how you think it is. How Oregon's registration fees are really distributed. 43 % => Law Enforcement 5 % => invasive Species22% => Administration30% trickles down to facilities.....and of course that's actually being contracted out, resulting in further watering down. So those of you who think you are buying docks, you actually are buying bullet proof lead-lined life jackets. Of courseif you think 30 cents on the dollar is a good buy........ Here's the budget .....in case you think I just made it up. It's pretty easy to read. https://www.oregon.gov/osmb/info/Pages/Business-Services.aspx On Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 6:25:55 AM PDT, Charles Adams via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: Very well said Randy. As someone who enjoys Europe and spends as much time as I can there which is a lot. We American are constantly critical of them because of the taxes they pay. They don’t complain because they recognize their return from their taxes that provides much to everyone. Plus the time to enjoy that provided because businesses close at 2 PM Sat and don’t open until Monday morning so people can enjoy what their taxes provide. Someone will disagree with me but hope you have more than 20 years there starting in 1961 and over the years in most countries. In fact learned to sail on Lake Chiemsee and could go on to the many others places I’ve sailed. Gave some thought to shipping my M-17 there but to many place here I want to sail with it. Again good comment. Charlie Sent from my iPad
On Apr 20, 2021, at 8:17 AM, Randy Sommerfeld <sommerfeldrandy@gmail.com> wrote:
Everyone wants good launch ramps, clean rest rooms at parks, and other items to make it a good day sailing or boating, problem is that no one wants taxes to go up to pay for this. So politicians want to truthfully say that they didn’t raise taxes, but state agencies can raise fees, licenses, user fees, launch frees, parks entrance fees, the list goes on. Which might be the best way to do this as this makes the user pay more for the recreation they enjoy. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 12:07 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Cc: John Schinnerer Subject: M_Boats: Re: Registration fees Which is the stern - port or starboard? :-) Sail-only craft under 12 ft. in Oregon don't need registration. So your M5 is exempt...as is my El Toro dinghy at a hair under 8 ft. I just think of it as a "two-for-one"...register my big boat, get my little one for free. cheers, John On 4/19/21 10:01 PM, Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats wrote:
I've decided my m5 (previously known as my m15) is 5 feet long and 15 feet wide. Oregon has a fee schedule for boats 4'1 - 5feet so that'll get me nearly down to NJ rates....almost anyway. I think Sage should make that an option. Just rotate the plans 90 degrees. Those of you whose hearts go pitter-patter at the thrill of extra registration fees can stick with the more traditional bow and stern nomenclature. On Monday, April 19, 2021, 9:31:52 PM PDT, Sailing Spark <arthaberland@gmail.com> wrote: Honestly, here in NJ, registering my Monty is 28 dollars a year. (my GP14 is $13) and ramp fees depend on who owns it. The State park ramp fee is $25 and is good for about two dozen ramps. The Ramps owned by the individual cities are a differing matter.
I agree, let's leave politics out of this.
Art
On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 11:02 PM John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
That's for two years though, in Oregon (I think you knew that but it helps others compare to their states...). Like vehicles in Oregon also, two year registration period. Only state I've lived in that has two year at once registration.
cheers, John
On 4/18/21 9:17 PM, Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats wrote:
So the stupid Oregon registration fee is $100. I'm tired of paying it along with all the other fees (launch fee, park fee, county fee fee, forest pass fee, invasive species fee, snowpark fee)
Can I just register my boat in Panama or Liberia like the big ships? They go up the Columbia all the time......
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