Key point I wanna emphasize: On 11/15/2018 08:33 AM, Dave Scobie wrote: ...
Quicker and simpler as you lower main, tie off halyard, pull the tack & luff tight, reach aft along the boom and pull the clew tight and done.
"reach aft" meaning you don't have to move anything but arms. The lines run forward on the boom & cleats are where you can work them while at front of cockpit or maybe even in companionway (if your halyard is not to cockpit). When I got my boat, the clew reefing setup (the cleats specifically) was too far aft. Couldn't reach lines and/or cleat/uncleat without moving more than one would want to ideally. When hove-to, boom angled somewhat overboard, couldn't reach them (especially the aft one, which would be first reef) without getting close to the rail or even leaning out over it. Now, even with boom way out at 80-90 deg., I'm not leaning anywhere dangerous to work them. And the excess reefing line hangs down into the companionway not into the working cockpit area. cheers, John
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 8:23 AM Thomas Howe <Thomas@thomashoweonline.com wrote:
I have a reefing hook attached to the forward end of the boom. What does a tack line attach to?
Thomas Howe McGrew Real Estate 785-550-1169
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> On Behalf Of Dave Scobie Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 10:17 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: 15M v 17M
Thomas:
Here is the first in a.series I created a few years ago that discusses the process -
https://sagemarineblog.wordpress.com/2015/04/21/reefing
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 7:54 AM Thomas Howe <Thomas@thomashoweonline.com wrote:
..."a Tack line at the mast and a clew line on the boom.." I'm interested in seeing pictures of this arrangement. My system may be overcomplicated.
Thomas Howe McGrew Real Estate 785-550-1169
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> On Behalf Of Dave Scobie Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 9:24 AM To: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz@mac.com>; For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: 15M v 17M
Of course, being out on a reservoir in gusts and pretty close to the boat ramp is not like being on the open water.
Be aware that the primary danger is NOT the wind it is THE SEAS. When the wave height approaches about 1/2 the boat's beam a breaking wave is increasing likely to roll the boat when striking a boat at the beam. As the wave height becomes greater than 1/2 the beam the boat will roll. This simplified rule works for all sailboats of any size.
Again this is a breaking wave not swells.
Know how to reef and make it simple and easy. Reefing a 15&17 Mboat, or Sage, should take 30 seconds. IMO on a.15/17 single line reefing are prone to jams and is slow and using a tack horn makes reefing more complicated. The system Jerry provided on the boats, a tack line at the mast and clew line on the boom is simple and works! Practice practice practice.
Be aware of the very poor sail shape roller reefing headsail creates at more than 30% sail reduction. Don't 'modify' a hankon headsail to work on a roller furler! The sails are cut differently to work correctly and a incorrectly cut furling headsail will become a worse 'bag' when reefed and make the boat heal more than when fully extended.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 6:48 AM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com wrote:
I think going out in some strong winds for practice is a good idea. Of course, being out on a reservoir in gusts and pretty close to the boat ramp is not like being on the open water. Your story about the Monty taking the seas is much appreciated. I underestimate my M15. Thanks,
Pete Winter Sky (Zimowsky) M377 outdoors writer and photographer www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/>
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