Thanks, that makes sense. My whisker pole has a clip at one end and only a spike at the other, so I guess I'll have to make some arrangements for attaching the sheet and halyard. Rick M16 #633 Lynne L On Tuesday, January 28, 2014, Rich Makela <richmak@makelaperformance.com> wrote:
Rick (and Bones),
When I refer to the mainsheet I mean the whole assembly, including the blocks. With the bottom rounded the mast goes up easily, and I don't need to use a winch.
As far as I know there is nothing special about the whisker pole. I'll take photos when we're done with winter. That may be a while - it's 15 below zero at the moment.
Rich -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;> [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Rick Davies Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 8:34 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: subject ? 1979 M17--She Will Be Mine
Thanks, Rich. That seems like a pretty simple setup. Do you run the mainsheet through a block on the bow? And do you need a winch and crank to pull on the mainsheet? Seems like it must take a lot of tension to get the mast started up. Would appreciate some pix when the weather warms up (if it ever does this year).
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 11:50 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com<javascript:;>> wrote:
You guys have long concluded the discussion about the recently bought M-17 and moved on to the question of raising the mast. Why not change the subject line to the subject you're actually discussing? Would be easier for some of us to follow. Steve M-15 # 335
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Makela" <richmak@makelaperformance.com <javascript:;>> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 8:32 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: 1979 M17--She Will Be Mine
A few photos would be the best solution, but I'm in Minnesota and the boat is in a barn for the winter. I'll do my best to describe my
setup.
First, I devised my system to work either on the trailer or on the
water. I
fasten one end of the whisker pole to a spinnaker pole ring at the bottom of the mast. I use the main sheet, with the bottom end attached where the jib tack normally attaches, to provide the mechanical advantage. The other end of the main sheet attaches to the outer end of the whisker pole, along with the jib halyard leading from the masthead. I run lines from the outer end of the whisker pole to holes in the toe rails to provide side-to-side support to keep the whisker pole centered. I would have to wait until spring to report the exact position of the attachment to the toe rails, but it is a foot or so aft of the base of the mast. The position must be such as to maintain reasonably constant tension throughout the raising process.
I pull on the main sheet to raise the mast. I've rounded off the aft portion of the bottom of the mast so that it rolls easily as the mast rises from horizontal to vertical. Depending on the length of your main sheet, it may be necessary at the end to crank down on the jib halyard to get the mast all the way to vertical. I need to apply enough tension at the end to enable me to connect the forestay. I leave the backstay alone to preserve the fore-and-aft position of the mast.
I would be happy to take pictures in May, but this is the best can do at the moment.
Rich Makela M-17 #233 - Harmony
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;> [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Rick Davies Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 5:56 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: 1979 M17--She Will Be Mine
Rich,
I'm reaching the age where I could use some help raising the mast. Coud you give some more details of your setup?
Thanks,
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Sunday, January 26, 2014, Rich Makela <richmak@makelaperformance.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
Gilbert,
On my 1977 M-17 I use a whisker pole as part of the mast raising system. It attaches to a spinnaker pole ring at the bottom of the mast installed specifically for that purpose.
Rich Makela M-17 #233 - Harmony
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;><javascript:;> [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Gilbert Landin Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 6:09 PM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: Re: M_Boats: 1979 M17--She Will Be Mine
Henry, I noticed a gin pole for raising the mast, where does the foot of the pole rest?
Gilbert
1974 M-17
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;><javascript:;> [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Henry Rodriguez Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 11:56 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;><javascript:;> Subject: M_Boats: 1979 M17--She Will Be Mine
Thanks all for the replies and encouragement. I wrote a check for $2k today and will pay the rest when my friend brings her down from up north. It could be as soon as two weeks.
I know I got a great deal but you will probably gasp when you find out how much my friend Jay paid for her: $200!! That's a two with only two zeroes after it! And that included an old air cooled (lawn-mower-on-a-stick) 5hp outboard. For another $100 the previous owner gave him several boxes of equipment, including a brand new Plastimo bulkhead compass (never installed), a brand new Danforth anchor with chain and rope rode, and some other stuff I can't remember. Jay knows he could easily get $4-6k for the boat so I'm happy to get it for $2500. He had a business deal fall through and needs the money. He may not buy the Halman after all.
The transom had a slight crack that apparently widened a bit when the rudder grounded when Jay was sailing her this fall. He said he started the repair; looks like there's some fiberglass work in my future. I plan on fixing that first and then working on the exterior and rigging. I'll worry about the interior later. I have studied all of the pictures, project descriptions, and links on the MSOG site but I'm sure I'll be back asking lots of questions.
Gary O., I remember you and your boat very well from the HPCC. I took some pictures of your boat but now that I'm about to become a Montgomery owner I wish I had taken more. I would love to see more detailed pictures of your deck and cockpit layout. I like the split-tail main sheet rigging and might try that on my new boat (she needs a name!) I get the same effect on Chiquita by using a dual main sheet arrangement with an independent tackle coming from each corner of the transom. Using the windward sheet allows me to get the boom to the center without too much downward pull. A cascaded vang controls twist with enough power to bend the boom.
I don't even have the boat yet and I'm considering doing some custom rigging. I've got it bad! And I have a two page list of projects to complete on Chiquita that I haven't even started yet. No rest for the wicked!
-- Henry https://picasaweb.google.com/heinzir
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