I had a terrifying experience with a Trangia “Storm Cooker” and I will NEVER use one again. I was camping in windy conditions (exactly what the set was designed for) and after following the directions to the letter (with regards to setup, I actually had the instruction sheet with me)…the cooker MELTED, almost causing a forest fire! Molten aluminum dripping down onto the dry central WA ground. Fortunately I was able to put the inferno out, but I contacted Trangia directly and told them in no uncertain terms they were refunding my money and taking their garbage back, which they very quickly and quietly did. I’ve been relating the story ever since, and have seen other examples of the same thing from other users. “Storm Cooker”…what a joke! I do use a Toaks ti alcohol stove when I need an ultralight kit for bikepacking, but grudgingly. I find alcohol extremely dangerous (toxic/burns invisibly), inefficient (takes 5 times longer to boil water than my Jetboil), environmentally questionable, and a poor choice in most situations. There are very good reasons why it’s banned as a fuel source in many national parks! Alcohol stoves have a romantic appeal I just don’t understand when there are so many better options available. 🤷♂️ www.rustyknorr.weebly.com
On Jan 9, 2024, at 1:10 PM, John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
I use a Trangia alcohol burner camp stove. Small, light, inexpensive, durable, no moving parts to clog clean or jam, quiet, fuel available at any hardware or building supply store, no risk storing fuel inboard/inside.
The basic alcohol burner can be used with a variety of bases and windscreens and pot sets, Trangia makes windscreen/pot kits and there's third party stuff too, from ultra-light to heavy-duty. I have a couple different setups depending on use - car or sailboat camping vs. backpacking or kayak camping for example.
Only cooked aboard in calm-water conditions to date. In the cockpit where there's plenty of space, but would be safe to use inside as well. Haven't thought about how to gimbal any of my alcohol stove setups but it wouldn't be that different from gimbaling any other small camp stove. Or as with larger boats, the stove isn't gimbaled but there are means to secure the pot from sliding around.
Trangia brand from Sweden is the 'original' and still one of the best alcohol burners, there are various direct imitations and some alternative designs, a few aimed at ultralight backpackers and made from titanium no less.
There's marine alcohol stoves of course but most are too big for our boats and also in the $$$$ price range.
cheers, John
On 1/9/24 11:40, Jim Sadler wrote: Roger that Rusty I hate having propane on a boat mainly because it is heaver than air. I would rather have a kerosene, alcohol or natural gas stove if I could find one. Thanks so much for your great advice.. Capt Jim -----Original Message----- From: Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2024 11:17 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Cc: Rusty Knorr <rustyinafrica@yahoo.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: M15 and Jet Boil The one thing I absolutely do is store my Jetboil and fuel in an airtight plastic container. Do NOT let the possibility in the rare event of a leaky canister or fuel tank letting gas collect in the bilge causing an explosion. Storing any fuel in the cabin is a seriously bad idea, but storing it outside of an airtight container in the cabin is simply stupid. www.rustyknorr.weebly.com
On Jan 9, 2024, at 6:11 AM, Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
I use a Jetboil. It works for all cooking but u have to watch the high flame
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On Jan 9, 2024, at 05:20, John Tyner <tynerjr@md.metrocast.net> wrote:
Previous owner (John Harris, Chesapeake Light Craft) made the attached for "Chimpanzee". Burner and direct-connect 1 lb. propane bottle lift up. Never used it myself, but it's neat. Only wish it had been sized/shaped so it could be stored inverted in the under-bunk access as well as sitting upright in it.
John Tyner
M-15 #412 "Chimpanzee"
On 1/9/2024 2:59 AM, Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats wrote: That’s the only stove I’ve ever used, never worried about a gimbal. I have the canister tripod, it’s more than stable enough. If it’s so rough you need a gimbal you’re probably worried about other things than cooking. www.rustyknorr.weebly.com
> On Jan 8, 2024, at 10:47 PM, Jim Sadler<jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:
Any of you skippers/back packers using your backpack stove on M15. Gimbaled?
Capt Jim
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