Since we bought our M17 last year, I have always been curious about the "all up" trailering weight we are pulling. On our way north to Georgian Bay 2 weeks ago, we stopped at a scale to check it out. Not sure if many of you have done an accurate weigh up when you are ready to cruise. Here is what we got on the scale ticket Boat on trailer only, 3160 lbs Boat on trailer hitched to the truck, with only the trailer on the scale, 2800 lbs Calculated tongue weight 360 lbs Combined weight of boat on the trailer, hooked up to our 2009 Ranger pick up, 7780 lbs for the complete rig. The outboard, tool box with larger tools and boat spares, small doctor tool bag with rigging tools, 2 small Oscar coolers, 8 foot rubber dinghy were in the truck box. Once we launched the dinghy stowed very well, rolled up in its bag across the stern seat below the tiller until day 2 when we reached the Bustards. Everything else was on board the boat,Group 24 battery, a 600 Watt power pack box, 4 gal gas, safety gear, stove, stove alcohol, nesting pots, dish box, meals and food for 10 days, extra chocolate, personal gear, bedding, all lines, extra shore lines, 2 anchors, each with 10 feet of chain, a small folding rock hook, rudder, boom with main already on, 3 headsails, 24 cans of beer, numerous tetra paks of wine, a few books and magazines, etc etc. We don't take a lot of water on board, as we can pump freshwater direct from Georgian Bay, through our MSR Minworks EX purifier. For pasta etc, we don't use the filter as it is boiling for a while. I think enough to kill any boogers :) So far, so good! Anyone have any numbers to compare from their experience? Bill Wickett Makin' Time M17 #622