In a message dated 11/27/2005 8:08:22 PM Pacific Standard Time, gilbert@mindgame.com writes: I would like to hear from you guys that bought the new lighter material rudders from ida sailor Hi Gilbert, Larry Yake with his early M17 was the first to try the Idasailor rudder. There is a picture of the assembly on the Photo Site (link below). Larry helped develop the shape of the rudder which is like the original designed by Lyle Hess. I can say after the two week NW Cruise, Larry was very happy with performance and use. I think he may be the only M-Boater with one... My experience with them is from my past ownership of a Potter. Idasailor is the OEM rudder maker for all of the Potter craft. They may not put the blade to a test like real race craft, but then again with the winds of our SF Bay, they do get to see use. I lurk on the Trailer Sailor Forum on occasion and they (Potters) seem to be quite happy with the product. Good luck on your quest. Bill keeper of the Photo Site _www.msog.funtigo.com_ (http://www.msog.funtigo.com) Rudder Link _http://www.funtigo.com/MSOG?b=197153&c=1789789&p=start&cr=1_ (http://www.funtigo.com/MSOG?b=197153&c=1789789&p=start&cr=1)