We probably had 15-20 knot winds, but I'm not sure ... We sailed with the jib reefed most of the first day, when we had the 2-4' waves, and both the main and jib reefed the second day, when we had the 3-5' waves, so maybe the winds on the 2nd day were 20-25 knots ... Also, I believe the conditions are naturally choppier between the mainland, Sleeping Bear Dunes National Lakeshore, and the Manitou Islands ... Someone who understands the physics better will probably correct me, but I believe the water bouncing back between the mainland and islands creates choppier conditions ... Temps were in the low to mid '80's, so quite comfortable, even when we were hit by a rain squall on the 2nd day ... We spent a night on North Manitou and spent the night on the beach under that stars, no tent, where it was plenty windy to discourage the bugs ... We never got cold and we never got mosquito/fly/gnat/misc.-bit ... The 17' might be able to go where the big boats go, but another beauty is that she goes where the big boats can't, and makes a great sail-camping conveyance ... ----- Original Message ----- From: Gilbert Landin To: 'Craig F. Honshell' ; 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 10:00 PM Subject: RE: M_Boats: re: Setting Up the M15 Craig, those are pretty big waves, how much wind did you have? The problem is not in the way the boat handles the chop/waves but rather in how I handle the up/down motion. Here it will blow 18-20 knots when we get that size waves and to keep from getting overpowered with the wind and the weather helm you have to sail either close hauled or run w/the wind...still what were your temperatures? gil -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+gilbert=mindgame.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+gilbert=mindgame.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Craig F. Honshell Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 4:28 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: re: Setting Up the M15 Join us in the Great Lakes, Gilbert ... Just back from a 2-day sail, Leland, MI, to North Manitou, MI, to South Manitou, back to Leland ... Day 1: Waves 2-4' ... Day 2: Waves 3-5' ... I think 3-5' waves, COMFORTABLY, in a 17' boat is pretty impressive ... Love the M17 ... ----- Original Message ----- From: Gilbert Landin To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 11:56 AM Subject: RE: M_Boats: re: Setting Up the M15 I have already started practicing. On another tack, I was out on my sunfish teaching a friend the art of capsizing, and I must admit that I had forgotten how much fun fresh water sailing is. I mean no jelly fish, no salt sting in the eyes, and best of all a mouthful of freshwater is not as bad. My sailing is 99.9% salt water and after every sail there is a fresh water rinse. The Lake is an hours drive away and then temperatures get more bearable (below 90 degrees) I will defiantly treat Sagitta to a fresh water sail. BTW I burned twice as bad as when out in salt water. Being in a fresh water environment sure can lull you into a false sense of cool. gilbert _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats