Possibly before doing anything, though, Joe might want to sail the boat to check the helm. There should be a noticeable weather helm, but not tiring to hold with a couple fingers on the fwd end of the tiller while beating with full sail in maybe 10 kts so there is some heel to the boat. Just a few degrees of tiller angle. The 17 wants a bit more weather helm than many boats because the rudder is large and efficient and consequently plays an extra important role in giving lift when close-hauled. However, too much weather helm can also add drag. Tod Mills M17 #408, 1987 galley model BuscaBrisas
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Bob From California Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:49 PM To: Monty Listserver Subject: Re: M_Boats: Backstay
Hi Joe.
In your boat when we shipped it, was an extra toggle that adds about 1.5 inches to the headstay. (if you don't have it, I have a few of them; it is folded sheet metal with a rigging pin)
Of course if the add the toggle the backstay won't be able to tension the rig aft anymore because you've run out of threads. However you may be able to 'remove the toggle on the backstay wire up at the masthead (or move it forward to the headstay if you can't find the extra part). Another remedy is a backstay adjustor that fits across the split legs and can be locked in with a cam cleat to tension the mast aft and tighten up the CDI furler.
At least two things have to happen to get your mast racked aft:
1. Lengthen the CDI Headstay with a toggle
2. Shorten the backstay. (get a new shorter backstay top wire; perhaps 2.5 inches shorter.
But first, find that toggle.
If you want to mail me the backstay I can have our rigging man shorten it up for you.
later
Bob Eeg
(949) 489-8227
From: seagray@embarqmail.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:52:34 -0500 Subject: Re: M_Boats: Backstay
Thanks Jerry, So.... do I need a new backstay?? I have a CDI on the forestay that is cranked up pretty tight to keep the luff tight. But by the same token, the back stay is screwed down all the way. Horns on a dilema. Joe Seafrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: "jerry" <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:05 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Backstay
It's really unlikely that the backstay has stretched significantly; it has about half the load as the headstay.
Gobble gobble yourself!
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray@embarqmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 7:22 PM Subject: M_Boats: Backstay
While I was trying to walk off the affects of the third day of triptophine overdose, I went to check on Seafrog. The water was flat as a table top so I checked the rake of the mast. I have my backstay tightened up as far as she'll go. The studs in the turnbuckle are touching within a paper thin gap. But the mast is near plumb. It was my understanding that I should have a rake. Last year it seemed I had a modest amount of rake. Is it possible that the wire for the stay has stretched?? Thanks. And I hope you all had a good Thanksgiving and that you have finally gotten rid of all the turkey leftovers. Gobble Gobble!! Joe Seafrog M17
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