So, for 10 years I sailed with the 9.9Yamaha that came with my boat. And there were a few times that I was greatful for the power for getting across our 27 mile long lake in a big blow. Still, I hated not being able to see the full potential of sailing with a lighter engine. I have been using a 3.5 hp electric extra long shaft for a few months now (35lbs vs 110lbs also no gas on board). I have had it out is some pretty severe weather where I had to go directly upwind against 3-5'chop and 35+ wind. It is a slow go but works. The electric has improved sailing performance and is sweet to handle. The battery lifts off easily and weighs next to nothing. However, the estimated 20 hour battery life drops to 2 hours when you are pushing hard against a wind,current, tide, so you better not have to go far. If you go to a 4hp gas get the alternator. I will probably be in the market for a 4hp gas for longer trips. The electric is perfect to kick you out and back on short runs. Randy M-17 ForePlay -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 9:11 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 115, Issue 9 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner@mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Yamaha 4hp or Mercury 3.5hp on M17 (Ronald McNeil) 2. Re: new member needing info for GPS systems (John Schinnerer) 3. Re: Yamaha 4hp or Mercury 3.5hp on M17 (Stan Susman) 4. Re: Yamaha 4hp or Mercury 3.5hp on M17 (August Trometer) 5. Re: Yamaha 4hp or Mercury 3.5hp on M17 (wcampion@aol.com) 6. Re: Anchoring (Tom Jenkins) 7. anchor (Karen Saville) 8. Re: Yamaha 4hp or Mercury 3.5hp on M17 (Rick Davies) 9. Re: anchor (Joe Murphy) 10. Re: Anchoring (Joe Murphy) 11. Re: Yamaha 4hp or Mercury 3.5hp on M17 (Joe Murphy) 12. Re: Yamaha 4hp or Mercury 3.5hp on M17 (SUSAN or AUGUST TROMETER) 13. Re: Yamaha 4hp or Mercury 3.5hp on M17 (SUSAN or AUGUST TROMETER) 14. Re: Anchoring (pam and dana) 15. Re: Anchoring (James Poulakis) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 10:08:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Ronald McNeil <ronaldwmcneil@yahoo.com> To: "montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Yamaha 4hp or Mercury 3.5hp on M17 Message-ID: <1348420106.16915.YahooMailNeo@web45015.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi, I have a new M17 on order and I?m now shopping for a motor. I was planning to go with the Yamaha 4hp, but if I go with the Mercury 3.5 it would only weigh 40lbs vs. 60lbs, which I like. My biggest concern I guess with either of these is their ability to motor into a strong head wind. Does any have experience motoring in stong wind with these or like size motors on an M17? ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 10:08:43 -0700 From: John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: new member needing info for GPS systems Message-ID: <505F421B.3020400@eco-living.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Yeah, as far as I know the GPS function for smartphones with GPS doesn't depend on cell (voice/text/data transmission) signal - no reason it should. The navigation app I have seen in use on an Android was on a Hilo-Maui passage and I am pretty sure there was no cell signal in the middle of the Alenuihaha channel! cheers, John S. On 09/21/2012 04:52 PM, Joe Murphy wrote:
Do the smart phones work off of cell towers and then the gps app work on it's own??? Joe SeaFrog M17
----- Original Message ----- *From:* John Schinnerer <mailto:john@eco-living.net> *To:* For and about Montgomery Sailboats <mailto:montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> *Sent:* Friday, September 21, 2012 1:09 PM *Subject:* Re: M_Boats: new member needing info for GPS systems
Aloha,
If you just want position and speed, don't need a full GPS, you can get handheld VHFs with basic GPS functionality of position and speed.
Also as recently mentioned, smartphones (Android and iPhone) can be used as GPS with chart/plot/course-tracking apps.
cheers, John S.
On 09/21/2012 09:20 AM, Joe Murphy wrote: > Hi Gordon, > Welcome to the group. > Determining what type of GPS to get goes back to the basic question of where do you sail. Like Bill says, if you sail where every destination is within sight and you don't have to worry about depths you probably don't need a GPS but it's nice to check your speed. Having a GPS really helps out when you are testing different options to improve your skills and speed while you sail... pull that line... let out that one, etc. > I sail in the outer banks of NC. Everything is line of sight but just because you can see it doesn't mean to can sail straight to it. So my GPS is useful for keeping me in deeper waters, finding 'local knowledge' channels, and keep me away from other hazzards. > I use a Garmin 276C. I had it on my previous 27' boat. I can charge it up at home and it will last 7-8 hours. If I'm out longer than that I can run it off the 12V battery on board. It's 8 years old and there are probably more state of the art units available. But it works for me. But as I said, what works for me may not be the optimal solution for you. I think if you figure out what you'll be doing and then try and find another similar sailor who's one part sailor and one part geek, you'll get your answer. Hmm, I think you may have come to the right group!! > Good luck and enjoy your Monty. > Joe > SeaFrog M17 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Karen Saville > To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <mailto:montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 9:56 AM > Subject: M_Boats: new member needing info for GPS systems > > > Hi, my name is Gordon Saville and have just joined. I have a M-17 would like to get more information on GPS sysems. Any information you might have would be appreciated. >
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-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net http://eco-living.net ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 10:36:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Stan Susman <stanpfa@pacbell.net> To: Ronald McNeil <ronaldwmcneil@yahoo.com>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Yamaha 4hp or Mercury 3.5hp on M17 Message-ID: <1348421769.62767.YahooMailNeo@web184705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I push my M-17 with a Honda 2hp. I have been impressed with how well it does. I think it actually make more hp then 2. I think Honda now makes a 2.5 or maybe 3 that would be worth looking into, I really like the light weight. My boat is some what lighter then standard however I'm not sure if that's an advantage or a disadvantage when going into a stiff breeze Stan ________________________________ From: Ronald McNeil <ronaldwmcneil@yahoo.com> To: "montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 10:08 AM Subject: M_Boats: Yamaha 4hp or Mercury 3.5hp on M17 Hi, I have a new M17 on order and I?m now shopping for a motor. I was planning to go with the Yamaha 4hp, but if I go with the Mercury 3.5 it would only weigh 40lbs vs. 60lbs, which I like. My biggest concern I guess with either of these is their ability to motor into a strong head wind. Does any have experience motoring in stong wind with these or like size motors on an M17? ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 14:16:45 -0400 From: "August Trometer" <atrometer@gmail.com> To: "'Ronald McNeil'" <ronaldwmcneil@yahoo.com>, "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Yamaha 4hp or Mercury 3.5hp on M17 Message-ID: <001501cd99b7$980e47b0$c82ad710$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I have a 2 cycle 2.5 hp Merc (Tohatsu) that pushes my M15 hull speed plus at about half throttle. -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Ronald McNeil Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 1:08 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Yamaha 4hp or Mercury 3.5hp on M17 Hi, I have a new M17 on order and I?m now shopping for a motor. I was planning to go with the Yamaha 4hp, but if I go with the Mercury 3.5 it would only weigh 40lbs vs. 60lbs, which I like. My biggest concern I guess with either of these is their ability to motor into a strong head wind. Does any have experience motoring in stong wind with these or like size motors on an M17? ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 15:02:15 -0400 (EDT) From: wcampion@aol.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Yamaha 4hp or Mercury 3.5hp on M17 Message-ID: <8CF67D51452C33C-794-1703C@Webmail-d113.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Ron, I have the 3.5 Merc, long shaft and it works great at 1/2 throttle. However, I sail an M-15. I've never had a problem in strong winds. If it's too rough for me, I'll drop the sails and motor. No problems. Skip -----Original Message----- From: August Trometer <atrometer@gmail.com> To: 'Ronald McNeil' <ronaldwmcneil@yahoo.com>; 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sun, Sep 23, 2012 2:17 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Yamaha 4hp or Mercury 3.5hp on M17 I have a 2 cycle 2.5 hp Merc (Tohatsu) that pushes my M15 hull speed plus at about half throttle. -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Ronald McNeil Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 1:08 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Yamaha 4hp or Mercury 3.5hp on M17 Hi, I have a new M17 on order and I?m now shopping for a motor. I was planning to go with the Yamaha 4hp, but if I go with the Mercury 3.5 it would only weigh 40lbs vs. 60lbs, which I like. My biggest concern I guess with either of these is their ability to motor into a strong head wind. Does any have experience motoring in stong wind with these or like size motors on an M17? ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 14:27:30 -0700 From: Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Anchoring Message-ID: <3FA2931D-80E3-42CA-8346-FAD642C47F7A@gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Joe, T'was a pleasure to read your piece. Probably I should have remembered, but your boat looks just like our, expect for our hunter green canvas covers and the bottom paint. Are there tanbarks lurking beneath the covers? Tom On Sep 23, 2012, at 10:07 AM, Joe Murphy wrote:
Yesterday was a perfect example of why Sept-Nov is THE sailing season here on the coast of North Carolina. The day started at 8 am pulling off the dock lines and by 8:05 we're in the ICW (Intracoastal Waterway). Not a breath of wind so we motored the 8.2nm and dropped anchor on Shackleford Island. The path took me through the Morehead City Turning Basin, the second largest port in NC across the Beaufort Inlet to Shackleford. Crossing the inlet was totally non eventful as there was still no wind and I hit it at just about the slack of low tide. A beach picnic was scheduled for the day. Another 5 boats (all power boats) were due to arive at 11. The reason I left at 8 was because I expected the trip to take something just short of that. But I got lucky and hit the last of the outgoing tide to the inlet which covered the first 6.5nm. Both the sound and the inlet were like a milk pond. At 9:30 we pulled straight into the beach. We averaged 5.4 kts! I had to check my GPS to make sure I had the distance correct. Yep, 8.2 thanks to a nice tidal current and a 6hp Tohatsu. I dropped the Guardian FX7 off the stern and let it pay out all the way to the beach and cleated it off. My mate took the Manson Supreme 15# to the bow and swung it off the front as far as possible. I hopped out and moved the bow anchor up onto the beach shoved it into the sand at the high water mark on the beach. Then I pulled in the slack from the stern anchor and recleated. With time to kill we had some more coffee as I listened to my m ate, David, somewhere in his 70's. He grew up 'down eas', has owned several boats (mostly at the same time) and bleeds salt water. While he poured coffee and some kind compliments my way on the anchoring he offered some observations to make life simpler. He smiled and said I may have thrown out the stern anchor a little too early. This was evidenced by the nearly 160' of line I laid out. We were in water never deeper than 5'!! Then I started rethinking my anchoring strategy. I watch him easily hold onto the Manson and walk it up to the bow. The Manson has a big roll bar that makes it easy to carry. Before he went forward he picked up the anchor and layed the 12' of chain overboard from the cockpit and left the WalMart hand basket in the cockpit sole. Then he just walked up the bow and chucked it in and cleated it off on the bow cleat. He made it look so simple. And this was a lot simpler than my "drop from the stern; cleat at the stern; walk the line bag forward ; cleat at the bow; walk back with the bag; and finally, uncleat the stern." David say's he's in his 70's but then slips up and talks about being a pilot in the Korean War!!! So... lessons learned and things I'll change. 1. Find a pair of knock off WalMart hand baskets and bring the one I have back to WalMart. Not like they really miss it or need the money, but I think it's bad mojo to keep it. 2. Save the mesh bag for backup line in case the anchor line isn't long enough. Putting the line back into the hand basket took no time compared to repacking the bag. Do I hear a bunch of 'I told you so, Joe'? 3. Take David sailing again real soon. We left around 3:00. The wind picked up to a respectable 8-10. We had a beam reach all the way back with a couple of close reaches. Seas picked up and there were a gazillion boats out. The tide was just starting against us but we still made it back in two hours. A respectable 4kts average Tip of the day. If your boat is covered with dew it will dry faster if you hose down your boat?? I learned that one from David too. Picture of the day. See attached. These are the famous Shackleford horses. They've been on this island for hundreds of years. That's hundreds, folks. Think about all the hurricanes. There are Vets that go out and give them shots and checkups and there's an organization that culls the herds. Interesting enough, they don't all hang around together like mustang herds. They have their own little mini herds. How cool is that? I wonder if they have their own little 'hoods'?? Enjoy. Redskins kick off in a few minutes. Later. Joe SeaFrog M17<IMG_0321.JPG><IMG_0336.JPG>
------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 14:36:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Karen Saville <karen.saville@yahoo.com> To: "montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: anchor Message-ID: <1348436196.19253.YahooMailNeo@web125704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I am curious, how do you retrive the anchor the chain the rod and get it all in the basket and stored in the locker. I cant picture that ? Go forward pull up anchor,hope its clean, lug anchor with chain?dangling overboard back to the cockpit?set anchor down, retrieve rode from somewhere and flake wet rod in basket,pick up anchor again,and place in the bottom of a full locker so the water can drain.? Where dose? the remaining rod store at anchor? In the cockpit all night? You cant put it in a locker at anchor or you might spring the hinge. I am not converted yet? Its not about how?quickly you can store your anchor, but how fast you can deploy it safely. I definetly need to improve my ground tackle. The boat came with a small fortress the smallest I think, I want to go bigger, a lot bigger. ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 17:54:53 -0400 From: Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com> To: Stan Susman <stanpfa@pacbell.net>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Yamaha 4hp or Mercury 3.5hp on M17 Message-ID: <CA+0OvVh_k1fHO_3UT0+B=G0sdZVPt9kWoE-BuR6GuDNzUypchQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 If you want to make a long passage against stiff wind and sea, the 2 horse Honda may be marginal, but then so are all the other small, light motors. You'll need something more substantial, 4-5 hp perhaps, and inevitably heavier. On the other hand, if you just want a kicker to get you in and out, and for making passages in benign weather, the small Honda's perfect. I've used one for five years, and am very happy with it. Drives the boat easily at 4-5 kts for hours at a time. Also is a real gas sipper. My estimate under easy conditions is around 30 - 40 mpg Rick M17 #633 Lynne L On Sunday, September 23, 2012, Stan Susman <stanpfa@pacbell.net> wrote:
I push my M-17 with a Honda 2hp. I have been impressed with how well it does. I think it actually make more hp then 2. I think Honda now makes a 2.5 or maybe 3 that would be worth looking into, I really like the light weight. My boat is some what lighter then standard however I'm not sure if that's an advantage or a disadvantage when going into a stiff breeze
Stan
________________________________ From: Ronald McNeil <ronaldwmcneil@yahoo.com> To: "montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 10:08 AM Subject: M_Boats: Yamaha 4hp or Mercury 3.5hp on M17
Hi, I have a new M17 on order and I?m now shopping for a motor. I was planning to go with the Yamaha 4hp, but if I go with the Mercury 3.5 it would only weigh 40lbs vs. 60lbs, which I like. My biggest concern I guess with either of these is their ability to motor into a strong head wind. Does any have experience motoring in stong wind with these or like size motors on an M17?
------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 19:14:55 -0400 From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray@embarqmail.com> To: "Karen Saville" <karen.saville@yahoo.com>, "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: anchor Message-ID: <F2C286F8C271447586C25723D474DB55@D72VSMG1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" When it comes time to retrieve the anchor I went forward and uncleated it at the bow. If the current is running like it did yesterday afternoon, I cleat it with a midship cleat that I got from Defender. http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|10391|292249|312057&id=92875 I can pull the anchor from there in the cockpit. I fake it into the basket which easily holds 120'. I lay the chain on top and then put the whole thing in a plastic bin right sized for the basket. Then the whole thing goes down below under the cockpit floor. I leave it out for as long as possible to let the basket drain into the bin. If anything is nasty I clean it in the cockpit. Most everwhere I've anchored has been nothing but sand so there's usually no mess. When at anchor the excess rode stays in the basket at the back of the cockpit. It's going to get wet anyway when you stow the rode that got wet anchored. The mesh bag (for the second anchor) has one advantage and that it is easily pulled out of the port locker. It too sits in it's own plastic bin so that as it drains/drys the water is contained. I can pull either anchor pretty quickly and get it deployed. Hope this helps. This is an ongoing finetuning excersise that I will tweek as I go along. Joe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen Saville To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 5:36 PM Subject: M_Boats: anchor I am curious, how do you retrive the anchor the chain the rod and get it all in the basket and stored in the locker. I cant picture that ? Go forward pull up anchor,hope its clean, lug anchor with chain dangling overboard back to the cockpit set anchor down, retrieve rode from somewhere and flake wet rod in basket,pick up anchor again,and place in the bottom of a full locker so the water can drain. Where dose the remaining rod store at anchor? In the cockpit all night? You cant put it in a locker at anchor or you might spring the hinge. I am not converted yet Its not about how quickly you can store your anchor, but how fast you can deploy it safely. I definetly need to improve my ground tackle. The boat came with a small fortress the smallest I think, I want to go bigger, a lot bigger. ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 19:20:30 -0400 From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray@embarqmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Anchoring Message-ID: <1F2041C4C6544778993509A633B92BE2@D72VSMG1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I originally wanted the Hunter Green covers but I have the tan bark sails and the UV leech strip is Mohagany, so that's the color I chose for all the rest of the canvas works. I just wanted to keep with one color scheme. This past year I painted the bottom that ugly green. The first time I bottom painted I used black. This time I wanted a different color. So when I start to see black I know I'm starting to go through the last paint job. Next time I might go with rust/red. I wish I could find something in slime.... Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Jenkins To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 5:27 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Anchoring Joe, T'was a pleasure to read your piece. Probably I should have remembered, but your boat looks just like our, expect for our hunter green canvas covers and the bottom paint. Are there tanbarks lurking beneath the covers? Tom On Sep 23, 2012, at 10:07 AM, Joe Murphy wrote:
Yesterday was a perfect example of why Sept-Nov is THE sailing season here on the coast of North Carolina. The day started at 8 am pulling off the dock lines and by 8:05 we're in the ICW (Intracoastal Waterway). Not a breath of wind so we motored the 8.2nm and dropped anchor on Shackleford Island. The path took me through the Morehead City Turning Basin, the second largest port in NC across the Beaufort Inlet to Shackleford. Crossing the inlet was totally non eventful as there was still no wind and I hit it at just about the slack of low tide. A beach picnic was scheduled for the day. Another 5 boats (all power boats) were due to arive at 11. The reason I left at 8 was because I expected the trip to take something just short of that. But I got lucky and hit the last of the outgoing tide to the inlet which covered the first 6.5nm. Both the sound and the inlet were like a milk pond. At 9:30 we pulled straight into the beach. We averaged 5.4 kts! I had to check my GPS to make sure I had the distance correct. Yep, 8.2 thanks to a nice tidal current and a 6hp Tohatsu. I dropped the Guardian FX7 off the stern and let it pay out all the way to the beach and cleated it off. My mate took the Manson Supreme 15# to the bow and swung it off the front as far as possible. I hopped out and moved the bow anchor up onto the beach shoved it into the sand at the high water mark on the beach. Then I pulled in the slack from the stern anchor and recleated. With time to kill we had some more coffee as I listened to my mate, David, somewhere in his 70's. He grew up 'down eas', has owned several boats (mostly at the same time) and bleeds salt water. While he poured coffee and some kind compliments my way on the anchoring he offered some observations to make life simpler. He smiled and said I may have thrown out the stern anchor a little too early. This was evidenced by the nearly 160' of line I laid out. We were in water never deeper than 5'!! Then I started rethinking my anchoring strategy. I watch him easily hold onto the Manson and walk it up to the bow. The Manson has a big roll bar that makes it easy to carry. Before he went forward he picked up the anchor and layed the 12' of chain overboard from the cockpit and left the WalMart hand basket in the cockpit sole. Then he just walked up the bow and chucked it in and cleated it off on the bow cleat. He made it look so simple. And this was a lot simpler than my "drop from the stern; cleat at the stern; walk the line bag forwa rd; cleat at the bow; walk back with the bag; and finally, uncleat the stern." David say's he's in his 70's but then slips up and talks about being a pilot in the Korean War!!! So... lessons learned and things I'll change. 1. Find a pair of knock off WalMart hand baskets and bring the one I have back to WalMart. Not like they really miss it or need the money, but I think it's bad mojo to keep it. 2. Save the mesh bag for backup line in case the anchor line isn't long enough. Putting the line back into the hand basket took no time compared to repacking the bag. Do I hear a bunch of 'I told you so, Joe'? 3. Take David sailing again real soon. We left around 3:00. The wind picked up to a respectable 8-10. We had a beam reach all the way back with a couple of close reaches. Seas picked up and there were a gazillion boats out. The tide was just starting against us but we still made it back in two hours. A respectable 4kts average Tip of the day. If your boat is covered with dew it will dry faster if you hose down your boat?? I learned that one from David too. Picture of the day. See attached. These are the famous Shackleford horses. They've been on this island for hundreds of years. That's hundreds, folks. Think about all the hurricanes. There are Vets that go out and give them shots and checkups and there's an organization that culls the herds. Interesting enough, they don't all hang around together like mustang herds. They have their own little mini herds. How cool is that? I wonder if they have their own little 'hoods'?? Enjoy. Redskins kick off in a few minutes. Later. Joe SeaFrog M17<IMG_0321.JPG><IMG_0336.JPG>
------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 19:26:01 -0400 From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray@embarqmail.com> To: "Ronald McNeil" <ronaldwmcneil@yahoo.com>, "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Yamaha 4hp or Mercury 3.5hp on M17 Message-ID: <56FBCD642E144E5487E85736B1DB0FC4@D72VSMG1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" The 6hp Tohatsu weighs 55#. I've had mine for 3 years now. It runs great. I get quite a bit of tidal current from 1 to 2.5 kts and when I run out the Beaufort Inlet with S SW winds and an ebb tide or N winds with a flood tide it gets pretty rough. I've never had any problems getting through it. I have the retractable motor mount that makes it very easy to raise and lower the motor in and out of the water. It might be a little weighty but I don't think it has affected anything. Joe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: Ronald McNeil To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 1:08 PM Subject: M_Boats: Yamaha 4hp or Mercury 3.5hp on M17 Hi, I have a new M17 on order and I?m now shopping for a motor. I was planning to go with the Yamaha 4hp, but if I go with the Mercury 3.5 it would only weigh 40lbs vs. 60lbs, which I like. My biggest concern I guess with either of these is their ability to motor into a strong head wind. Does any have experience motoring in stong wind with these or like size motors on an M17? ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 19:57:34 -0400 From: SUSAN or AUGUST TROMETER <atrometer@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Yamaha 4hp or Mercury 3.5hp on M17 Message-ID: <51e7cc9d-0deb-4a5c-bca7-f119fa2bc2bb@email.android.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 The 6hp also has an alternator option. August & Susan Trometer 5711 Longleaf Dr North Fort Myers,FL 33917 239 849 4681 Montgomery 15' SV #227 "Saffron" , Casita 17 LD RV Sent from my Kindle Fire _____________________________________________ From: Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> Sent: Sun Sep 23 19:26:01 EDT 2012 To: Ronald McNeil <ronaldwmcneil@yahoo.com>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Yamaha 4hp or Mercury 3.5hp on M17 The 6hp Tohatsu weighs 55#. I've had mine for 3 years now. It runs great. I get quite a bit of tidal current from 1 to 2.5 kts and when I run out the Beaufort Inlet with S SW winds and an ebb tide or N winds with a flood tide it gets pretty rough. I've never had any problems getting through it. I have the retractable motor mount that makes it very easy to raise and lower the motor in and out of the water. It might be a little weighty but I don't think it has affected anything. Joe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: Ronald McNeil To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 1:08 PM Subject: M_Boats: Yamaha 4hp or Mercury 3.5hp on M17 Hi, I have a new M17 on order and I?m now shopping for a motor. I was planning to go with the Yamaha 4hp, but if I go with the Mercury 3.5 it would only weigh 40lbs vs. 60lbs, which I like. My biggest concern I guess with either of these is their ability to motor into a strong head wind. Does any have experience motoring in stong wind with these or like size motors on an M17? ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 19:57:34 -0400 From: SUSAN or AUGUST TROMETER <atrometer@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Yamaha 4hp or Mercury 3.5hp on M17 Message-ID: <d6d5452e-e000-49a4-a4ad-a3bdfcb1d37f@email.android.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 The 6hp also has an alternator option. August & Susan Trometer 5711 Longleaf Dr North Fort Myers,FL 33917 239 849 4681 Montgomery 15' SV #227 "Saffron" , Casita 17 LD RV Sent from my Kindle Fire _____________________________________________ From: Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> Sent: Sun Sep 23 19:26:01 EDT 2012 To: Ronald McNeil <ronaldwmcneil@yahoo.com>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Yamaha 4hp or Mercury 3.5hp on M17 The 6hp Tohatsu weighs 55#. I've had mine for 3 years now. It runs great. I get quite a bit of tidal current from 1 to 2.5 kts and when I run out the Beaufort Inlet with S SW winds and an ebb tide or N winds with a flood tide it gets pretty rough. I've never had any problems getting through it. I have the retractable motor mount that makes it very easy to raise and lower the motor in and out of the water. It might be a little weighty but I don't think it has affected anything. Joe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: Ronald McNeil To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 1:08 PM Subject: M_Boats: Yamaha 4hp or Mercury 3.5hp on M17 Hi, I have a new M17 on order and I?m now shopping for a motor. I was planning to go with the Yamaha 4hp, but if I go with the Mercury 3.5 it would only weigh 40lbs vs. 60lbs, which I like. My biggest concern I guess with either of these is their ability to motor into a strong head wind. Does any have experience motoring in stong wind with these or like size motors on an M17? ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 16:50:09 -0700 From: pam and dana <denko@broadstripe.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Anchoring Message-ID: <B15E9456-59CE-4A85-962D-7FFBE6789BB5@broadstripe.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes Great story Joe. It is just a reminder that we should pay attention to our surroundings while we do our "strategies" and by all means, use the KISS method whenever possible. ? Pam Port Townsend On Sep 23, 2012, at 10:07 AM, Joe Murphy wrote:
Yesterday was a perfect example of why Sept-Nov is THE sailing season here on the coast of North Carolina. The day started at 8 am pulling off the dock lines and by 8:05 we're in the ICW (Intracoastal Waterway). Not a breath of wind so we motored the 8.2nm and dropped anchor on Shackleford Island. The path took me through the Morehead City Turning Basin, the second largest port in NC across the Beaufort Inlet to Shackleford. Crossing the inlet was totally non eventful as there was still no wind and I hit it at just about the slack of low tide. A beach picnic was scheduled for the day. Another 5 boats (all power boats) were due to arive at 11. The reason I left at 8 was because I expected the trip to take something just short of that. But I got lucky and hit the last of the outgoing tide to the inlet which covered the first 6.5nm. Both the sound and the inlet were like a milk pond. At 9:30 we pulled straight into the beach. We averaged 5.4 kts! I had to check my GPS to make sure I had the distance correct. Yep, 8.2 thanks to a nice tidal current and a 6hp Tohatsu. I dropped the Guardian FX7 off the stern and let it pay out all the way to the beach and cleated it off. My mate took the Manson Supreme 15# to the bow and swung it off the front as far as possible. I hopped out and moved the bow anchor up onto the beach shoved it into the sand at the high water mark on the beach. Then I pulled in the slack from the stern anchor and recleated. With time to kill we had some more coffee as I listened to my mate, David, somewhere in his 70's. He grew up 'down eas', has owned several boats (mostly at the same time) and bleeds salt water. While he poured coffee and some kind compliments my way on the anchoring he offered some observations to make life simpler. He smiled and said I may have thrown out the stern anchor a little too early. This was evidenced by the nearly 160' of line I laid out. We were in water never deeper than 5'!! Then I started rethinking my anchoring strategy. I watch him easily hold onto the Manson and walk it up to the bow. The Manson has a big roll bar that makes it easy to carry. Before he went forward he picked up the anchor and layed the 12' of chain overboard from the cockpit and left the WalMart hand basket in the cockpit sole. Then he just walked up the bow and chucked it in and cleated it off on the bow cleat. He made it look so simple. And this was a lot simpler than my "drop from the stern; cleat at the stern; walk the line bag forward; cleat at the bow; walk back with the bag; and finally, uncleat the stern." David say's he's in his 70's but then slips up and talks about being a pilot in the Korean War!!! So... lessons learned and things I'll change. 1. Find a pair of knock off WalMart hand baskets and bring the one I have back to WalMart. Not like they really miss it or need the money, but I think it's bad mojo to keep it. 2. Save the mesh bag for backup line in case the anchor line isn't long enough. Putting the line back into the hand basket took no time compared to repacking the bag. Do I hear a bunch of 'I told you so, Joe'? 3. Take David sailing again real soon. We left around 3:00. The wind picked up to a respectable 8-10. We had a beam reach all the way back with a couple of close reaches. Seas picked up and there were a gazillion boats out. The tide was just starting against us but we still made it back in two hours. A respectable 4kts average Tip of the day. If your boat is covered with dew it will dry faster if you hose down your boat?? I learned that one from David too. Picture of the day. See attached. These are the famous Shackleford horses. They've been on this island for hundreds of years. That's hundreds, folks. Think about all the hurricanes. There are Vets that go out and give them shots and checkups and there's an organization that culls the herds. Interesting enough, they don't all hang around together like mustang herds. They have their own little mini herds. How cool is that? I wonder if they have their own little 'hoods'?? Enjoy. Redskins kick off in a few minutes. Later. Joe SeaFrog M17<IMG_0321.JPG><IMG_0336.JPG>
------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 08:10:52 -0700 From: James Poulakis <picfo@comcast.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Anchoring Message-ID: <AA110307-5EEF-4B8D-A606-487AE2A825F6@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dang, that's a handsome M-17. Jim M-17 "Spirit" On Sep 23, 2012, at 10:07 AM, Joe Murphy wrote:
Yesterday was a perfect example of why Sept-Nov is THE sailing season here on the coast of North Carolina. The day started at 8 am pulling off the dock lines and by 8:05 we're in the ICW (Intracoastal Waterway). Not a breath of wind so we motored the 8.2nm and dropped anchor on Shackleford Island. The path took me through the Morehead City Turning Basin, the second largest port in NC across the Beaufort Inlet to Shackleford. Crossing the inlet was totally non eventful as there was still no wind and I hit it at just about the slack of low tide. A beach picnic was scheduled for the day. Another 5 boats (all power boats) were due to arive at 11. The reason I left at 8 was because I expected the trip to take something just short of that. But I got lucky and hit the last of the outgoing tide to the inlet which covered the first 6.5nm. Both the sound and the inlet were like a milk pond. At 9:30 we pulled straight into the beach. We averaged 5.4 kts! I had to check my GPS to make sure I had the distance correct. Yep, 8.2 thanks to a nice tidal current and a 6hp Tohatsu. I dropped the Guardian FX7 off the stern and let it pay out all the way to the beach and cleated it off. My mate took the Manson Supreme 15# to the bow and swung it off the front as far as possible. I hopped out and moved the bow anchor up onto the beach shoved it into the sand at the high water mark on the beach. Then I pulled in the slack from the stern anchor and recleated. With time to kill we had some more coffee as I listened to my m ate, David, somewhere in his 70's. He grew up 'down eas', has owned several boats (mostly at the same time) and bleeds salt water. While he poured coffee and some kind compliments my way on the anchoring he offered some observations to make life simpler. He smiled and said I may have thrown out the stern anchor a little too early. This was evidenced by the nearly 160' of line I laid out. We were in water never deeper than 5'!! Then I started rethinking my anchoring strategy. I watch him easily hold onto the Manson and walk it up to the bow. The Manson has a big roll bar that makes it easy to carry. Before he went forward he picked up the anchor and layed the 12' of chain overboard from the cockpit and left the WalMart hand basket in the cockpit sole. Then he just walked up the bow and chucked it in and cleated it off on the bow cleat. He made it look so simple. And this was a lot simpler than my "drop from the stern; cleat at the stern; walk the line bag forward ; cleat at the bow; walk back with the bag; and finally, uncleat the stern." David say's he's in his 70's but then slips up and talks about being a pilot in the Korean War!!! So... lessons learned and things I'll change. 1. Find a pair of knock off WalMart hand baskets and bring the one I have back to WalMart. Not like they really miss it or need the money, but I think it's bad mojo to keep it. 2. Save the mesh bag for backup line in case the anchor line isn't long enough. Putting the line back into the hand basket took no time compared to repacking the bag. Do I hear a bunch of 'I told you so, Joe'? 3. Take David sailing again real soon. We left around 3:00. The wind picked up to a respectable 8-10. We had a beam reach all the way back with a couple of close reaches. Seas picked up and there were a gazillion boats out. The tide was just starting against us but we still made it back in two hours. A respectable 4kts average Tip of the day. If your boat is covered with dew it will dry faster if you hose down your boat?? I learned that one from David too. Picture of the day. See attached. These are the famous Shackleford horses. They've been on this island for hundreds of years. That's hundreds, folks. Think about all the hurricanes. There are Vets that go out and give them shots and checkups and there's an organization that culls the herds. Interesting enough, they don't all hang around together like mustang herds. They have their own little mini herds. How cool is that? I wonder if they have their own little 'hoods'?? Enjoy. Redskins kick off in a few minutes. Later. Joe SeaFrog M17<IMG_0321.JPG><IMG_0336.JPG>
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