Thanks Dave, Just as soon as I can get the site put together I'll post the link. I have been waiting a long time to get this little beauty! Your absolutely right about the neighbors stopping and asking questions. I have a neighbor who is just a couple of doors down from me and he has been waiting very anxiously too for this arrival. Michael -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:32 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 68, Issue 35 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner@mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. idasailor rudder blade length (IdaSailor Marine) 2. Re: idasailor rudder blade length (James Poulakis) 3. Thanks for the Article! (Doug Kelch) 4. Idasailor Customer Service (James Poulakis) 5. Furler on an M-17 (Michael Akridge) 6. Re: pepperjack has arrived! (W David Scobie) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 21:11:17 -0700 From: IdaSailor Marine <sailboats@idasailor.com> Subject: M_Boats: idasailor rudder blade length To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <49053F65.6020502@idasailor.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Jim, All, A better measurement would be from the bottom of the rudder's lowest pintle or gudgeon to the bottom of the aft trailing edge of the rudder.. Measuring from the pivot bolt to the bottom of the rudder could be like comparing apples and oranges, for two reasons: In an attempt to give the best possible product, we have altered the rudderhead's height and position relative to the gudgeons on the transom, the new configuration is very low on the transom. This allows us to position the rudderhead lower on the transom, specifically on the M17 boats that use three pintles, and use a slightly shorter blade overall, with equal or better performance to last year's Unifoil kick-up rudder configuration. Regarding the difference in length between the new configuration and the OEM mahogany rudder, I'm of the opinion that the various "stock" mahogany OEM rudders vary in length, making length comparisons more difficult, boat-on-boat, but ours could easily be a couple inches shorter on any given M17, perhaps longer on another. I could be wrong about the OEM length variation, however, my opinion is formed from interviews with M17 owners and the measurements listed on the worksheets that they submit with their rudder orders. The advantages of building using the lower rudderhead and shorter blade are a slightly lower center of gravity and a rudder blade that is easier to raise from inside the boat with the slightly reduced blade length. Bear in mind that we stand behind our stuff 100%, if you feel strongly that your new rudder will not perform to your requirements, please let me know and we'll take care of it. I would suggest that you sail with the new configuration if you are able (not sure which part of the country you are in, I'm at home and don't have that info with me), I would value any feedback you can give regarding fit, finish and performance under sail. We've sailed hard with the new, shorter configuration this year and were very pleased with it, but ultimately, you need to be pleased with it or we haven't done our job. Let me know your thoughts on this, we'll stand by; thanks very much for your business. Fair winds, -Joel Joel Santarone General Manager IdaSailor Marine Inc. idasailor.com cruisingsupplies.com 866-400-2204 toll free
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Message: 7 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:09:01 -0700 From: James Poulakis <picfo@comcast.net> Subject: M_Boats: Idasailor Rudder Depth To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <530D774C-DC9B-4382-AD8A-3D0996DD4FDF@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
Just received the latest Idasailor kick-up rudder and was comparing it side-by-side with the stock mahogany rudder. My Idasailor blade is about 5" shallower then the stock blade when the pintles / rod brackets are matched up. It measures about 34" from the center of the pivot bolt to the bottom of the blade.
In a 2007 posting Bob stated that the "new" Idasailor rudder sat deeper then the standard rudder. But before calling the manufacturer, I was curious what other Idasailor owners had for their rudder depth. (The rudder doesn't need to be mounted, and the measurement from the pivot bolt to bottom of the blade will not change regardless of how the blade is pivoted).
Thanks so much Folks,
Jim Poulakis M17 "Spirit"
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------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 00:08:52 -0700 From: James Poulakis <picfo@comcast.net> Subject: Re: M_Boats: idasailor rudder blade length To: sailboats@idasailor.com, For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <35E2B9F1-937F-44AB-A577-60A5005C007E@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Well, after getting this in-depth posting from Joel on a Sunday night, my immediate thought is that I feel pretty dang good about buying an Idasailor product. I haven't even formally contacted Idasailor yet and they are already addressing my concerns. How often does that happen folks? Joel, thank you for the insight, and tomorrow I'll e-mail Idasailor directly. Jim Poulakis M17 "Spirit" On Oct 26, 2008, at 9:11 PM, IdaSailor Marine wrote:
Jim, All, A better measurement would be from the bottom of the rudder's lowest pintle or gudgeon to the bottom of the aft trailing edge of the rudder.. Measuring from the pivot bolt to the bottom of the rudder could be like comparing apples and oranges, for two reasons: In an attempt to give the best possible product, we have altered the rudderhead's height and position relative to the gudgeons on the transom, the new configuration is very low on the transom. This allows us to position the rudderhead lower on the transom, specifically on the M17 boats that use three pintles, and use a slightly shorter blade overall, with equal or better performance to last year's Unifoil kick-up rudder configuration. Regarding the difference in length between the new configuration and the OEM mahogany rudder, I'm of the opinion that the various "stock" mahogany OEM rudders vary in length, making length comparisons more difficult, boat-on-boat, but ours could easily be a couple inches shorter on any given M17, perhaps longer on another. I could be wrong about the OEM length variation, however, my opinion is formed from interviews with M17 owners and the measurements listed on the worksheets that they submit with their rudder orders. The advantages of building using the lower rudderhead and shorter blade are a slightly lower center of gravity and a rudder blade that is easier to raise from inside the boat with the slightly reduced blade length. Bear in mind that we stand behind our stuff 100%, if you feel strongly that your new rudder will not perform to your requirements, please let me know and we'll take care of it. I would suggest that you sail with the new configuration if you are able (not sure which part of the country you are in, I'm at home and don't have that info with me), I would value any feedback you can give regarding fit, finish and performance under sail. We've sailed hard with the new, shorter configuration this year and were very pleased with it, but ultimately, you need to be pleased with it or we haven't done our job. Let me know your thoughts on this, we'll stand by; thanks very much for your business. Fair winds, -Joel Joel Santarone General Manager IdaSailor Marine Inc. idasailor.com cruisingsupplies.com 866-400-2204 toll free
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Message: 7 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:09:01 -0700 From: James Poulakis <picfo@comcast.net> Subject: M_Boats: Idasailor Rudder Depth To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <530D774C-DC9B-4382-AD8A-3D0996DD4FDF@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
Just received the latest Idasailor kick-up rudder and was comparing it side-by-side with the stock mahogany rudder. My Idasailor blade is about 5" shallower then the stock blade when the pintles / rod brackets are matched up. It measures about 34" from the center of the pivot bolt to the bottom of the blade.
In a 2007 posting Bob stated that the "new" Idasailor rudder sat deeper then the standard rudder. But before calling the manufacturer, I was curious what other Idasailor owners had for their rudder depth. (The rudder doesn't need to be mounted, and the measurement from the pivot bolt to bottom of the blade will not change regardless of how the blade is pivoted).
Thanks so much Folks,
Jim Poulakis M17 "Spirit"
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------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:40:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Kelch <doug_kelch@yahoo.com> Subject: M_Boats: Thanks for the Article! To: Montgomery <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <782012.86032.qm@web58701.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I really enjoyed Frank Durant's article in SCA about cruising the Quecbec river. ? Well written with good thoughts on the essence of cruising small boats. ? Thank for the good job Frank. ? Doug Kelch M15 "Seas the Day" ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:42:42 -0700 From: James Poulakis <picfo@comcast.net> Subject: M_Boats: Idasailor Customer Service To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <3663F9E4-02DD-4DD1-90E6-CDCF5C54C4BD@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I recently received a new Idasailor rudder for my M17. The rudder blade length, while probably adequate, just seemed a little short to me. I expressed my concern to Joel at Idasailor who immediately offered to send a longer rudder blade at no cost. If you are considering ordering a rudder from Idasailor, rest assured that any concerns you might have will be taken seriously by Joel and his crew. Jim Poulakis M17 "Spirit" (equipped with Idasailor kick-up rudder) ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:24:25 -0400 From: "Michael Akridge" <twosailors@att.net> Subject: M_Boats: Furler on an M-17 To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <72D9E78CEC0541A0B2708AD692A36CEF@MichaelPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Well Monty Sailors, the day has final arrived. My new M-17, Pepperjack, #652 arrived early this morning. What a beautiful sight she is!!! Today will be spent setting her up and doing a "dry sail." I do have one question for the group. It came with a CEI FF2 Furler. I think I can figure out how to install it ( I am somewhat mechanically challenged) but I am really stumped on how much line I need to purchase for the furler drum. Has anybody else put on a furler and how much line was needed for the furler drum. Thank you in advance for all your advice and input. Michael Akridge M-17 Pepperjack #652 ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:29:51 -0700 (PDT) From: W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: pepperjack has arrived! To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <276418.1681.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 michael: ? great news on the boat's arrival! have fun trying to get any boat-work done as all the neighbors stop and say/ask, "what type of boat is that?"; "nice boat!"; etc ... look forward to seeing pictures of PEPPERJACK. ? ? dave scobie m15 #288 - SCRED visit Scred's www-site: http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred ? --- On Tue, 10/28/08, Michael Akridge <twosailors@att.net> wrote: Well Monty Sailors, the day has final arrived. My new M-17, Pepperjack, #652 arrived early this morning. What a beautiful sight she is!!! ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 68, Issue 35 ************************************************