Re: M_Boats: Peperjack Has Arrived

28 Oct 2008

      Thanks Dave,

Just as soon as I can get the site put together I'll post the link.  I have
been waiting a long time to get this little beauty!  Your absolutely right
about the neighbors stopping and asking questions.  I have a neighbor who is
just a couple of doors down from me and he has been waiting very anxiously
too for this arrival.  

Michael

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   1. idasailor rudder blade length (IdaSailor Marine)
   2. Re: idasailor rudder blade length (James Poulakis)
   3. Thanks for the Article! (Doug Kelch)
   4. Idasailor Customer Service (James Poulakis)
   5. Furler on an M-17 (Michael Akridge)
   6. Re: pepperjack has arrived! (W David Scobie)

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 21:11:17 -0700
From: IdaSailor Marine <sailboats@idasailor.com>
Subject: M_Boats: idasailor rudder blade length
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Jim, All,
A better measurement would be from the bottom of the rudder's lowest 
pintle or gudgeon to the bottom of the aft trailing edge of the rudder..
Measuring from the pivot bolt to the bottom of the rudder could be like 
comparing apples and oranges, for two reasons:
In an attempt to give the best possible product, we have altered the 
rudderhead's height and position relative to the gudgeons on the 
transom, the new configuration is very low on the transom.
This allows us to position the rudderhead lower on the transom, 
specifically on the M17 boats that use three pintles, and use a slightly 
shorter blade overall, with equal or better performance to last year's 
Unifoil kick-up rudder configuration. Regarding the difference in length 
between the new configuration and the OEM mahogany rudder, I'm of the 
opinion that the various "stock" mahogany OEM rudders vary in length, 
making length comparisons more difficult, boat-on-boat, but ours could 
easily be a couple inches shorter on any given M17, perhaps longer on 
another.
I could be wrong about the OEM length variation, however, my opinion is 
formed from interviews with M17 owners and the measurements listed on 
the worksheets that they submit with their rudder orders.
The advantages of building using the lower rudderhead and shorter blade 
are a slightly lower center of gravity and a rudder blade that is easier 
to raise from inside the boat with the slightly reduced blade length.
Bear in mind that we stand behind our stuff 100%, if you feel strongly 
that your new rudder will not perform to your requirements, please let 
me know and we'll take care of it.
I would suggest that you sail with the new configuration if you are able 
(not sure which part of the country you are in, I'm at home and don't 
have that info with me), I would value any feedback you can give  
regarding fit, finish and performance under sail.
We've sailed hard with the new, shorter configuration this year and were 
very pleased with it, but ultimately, you need to be pleased with it or 
we haven't done our job.
Let me know your thoughts on this, we'll stand by; thanks very much for 
your business.
Fair winds,
-Joel
Joel Santarone
General Manager
IdaSailor Marine Inc.
idasailor.com
cruisingsupplies.com
866-400-2204 toll free
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:09:01 -0700
From: James Poulakis <picfo@comcast.net>
Subject: M_Boats: Idasailor Rudder Depth
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
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Just received the latest Idasailor kick-up rudder and was comparing  
it side-by-side with the stock mahogany rudder.  My Idasailor blade  
is about 5"  shallower then the stock blade when the pintles / rod  
brackets are matched up.  It measures about 34" from the center of  
the pivot bolt to the bottom of the blade.
In a 2007 posting Bob stated that the "new" Idasailor rudder sat  
deeper then  the standard rudder.  But before calling the  
manufacturer, I was curious what other Idasailor owners had for their  
rudder depth.  (The rudder doesn't need to be mounted, and the  
measurement from the pivot bolt to bottom of the blade will not  
change regardless of how the blade is pivoted).
Thanks so much Folks,
Jim Poulakis
M17 "Spirit"
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 00:08:52 -0700
From: James Poulakis <picfo@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: idasailor rudder blade length
To: sailboats@idasailor.com, For and about Montgomery Sailboats
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Well, after getting this in-depth posting from Joel on a Sunday  
night, my immediate thought is that I feel pretty dang good about  
buying an Idasailor product.  I haven't even formally contacted  
Idasailor yet and they are already addressing my concerns.  How often  
does that happen folks?

Joel, thank you for the insight, and tomorrow I'll e-mail Idasailor  
directly.

Jim Poulakis
M17 "Spirit"

On Oct 26, 2008, at 9:11 PM, IdaSailor Marine wrote:
...
Jim, All,
A better measurement would be from the bottom of the rudder's lowest
pintle or gudgeon to the bottom of the aft trailing edge of the  
rudder..
Measuring from the pivot bolt to the bottom of the rudder could be  
like
comparing apples and oranges, for two reasons:
In an attempt to give the best possible product, we have altered the
rudderhead's height and position relative to the gudgeons on the
transom, the new configuration is very low on the transom.
This allows us to position the rudderhead lower on the transom,
specifically on the M17 boats that use three pintles, and use a  
slightly
shorter blade overall, with equal or better performance to last year's
Unifoil kick-up rudder configuration. Regarding the difference in  
length
between the new configuration and the OEM mahogany rudder, I'm of the
opinion that the various "stock" mahogany OEM rudders vary in length,
making length comparisons more difficult, boat-on-boat, but ours could
easily be a couple inches shorter on any given M17, perhaps longer on
another.
I could be wrong about the OEM length variation, however, my  
opinion is
formed from interviews with M17 owners and the measurements listed on
the worksheets that they submit with their rudder orders.
The advantages of building using the lower rudderhead and shorter  
blade
are a slightly lower center of gravity and a rudder blade that is  
easier
to raise from inside the boat with the slightly reduced blade length.
Bear in mind that we stand behind our stuff 100%, if you feel strongly
that your new rudder will not perform to your requirements, please let
me know and we'll take care of it.
I would suggest that you sail with the new configuration if you are  
able
(not sure which part of the country you are in, I'm at home and don't
have that info with me), I would value any feedback you can give
regarding fit, finish and performance under sail.
We've sailed hard with the new, shorter configuration this year and  
were
very pleased with it, but ultimately, you need to be pleased with  
it or
we haven't done our job.
Let me know your thoughts on this, we'll stand by; thanks very much  
for
your business.
Fair winds,
-Joel
Joel Santarone
General Manager
IdaSailor Marine Inc.
idasailor.com
cruisingsupplies.com
866-400-2204 toll free
...
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:09:01 -0700
From: James Poulakis <picfo@comcast.net>
Subject: M_Boats: Idasailor Rudder Depth
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
  <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
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Just received the latest Idasailor kick-up rudder and was comparing
it side-by-side with the stock mahogany rudder.  My Idasailor blade
is about 5"  shallower then the stock blade when the pintles / rod
brackets are matched up.  It measures about 34" from the center of
the pivot bolt to the bottom of the blade.
In a 2007 posting Bob stated that the "new" Idasailor rudder sat
deeper then  the standard rudder.  But before calling the
manufacturer, I was curious what other Idasailor owners had for their
rudder depth.  (The rudder doesn't need to be mounted, and the
measurement from the pivot bolt to bottom of the blade will not
change regardless of how the blade is pivoted).
Thanks so much Folks,
Jim Poulakis
M17 "Spirit"
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:40:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Doug Kelch <doug_kelch@yahoo.com>
Subject: M_Boats: Thanks for the Article!
To: Montgomery <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
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I really enjoyed Frank Durant's article in SCA about cruising the Quecbec
river.
?
Well written with good thoughts on the essence of cruising small boats.
?
Thank for the good job Frank.
?
Doug Kelch
M15 "Seas the Day"

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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:42:42 -0700
From: James Poulakis <picfo@comcast.net>
Subject: M_Boats: Idasailor Customer Service
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
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I recently received a new Idasailor rudder for my M17.  The rudder  
blade length, while probably adequate, just seemed a little short to  
me.  I expressed my concern to Joel at Idasailor who immediately  
offered to send a longer rudder blade at no cost.

If you are considering ordering a rudder from Idasailor, rest assured  
that any concerns you might have will be taken seriously by Joel and  
his crew.

Jim Poulakis
M17 "Spirit" (equipped with Idasailor kick-up rudder)

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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:24:25 -0400
From: "Michael Akridge" <twosailors@att.net>
Subject: M_Boats: Furler on an M-17
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Well Monty Sailors, the day has final arrived. My new M-17, Pepperjack, #652
arrived early this morning. What a beautiful sight she is!!! Today will be
spent setting her up and doing a "dry sail." I do have one question for the
group. It came with a CEI FF2 Furler. I think I can figure out how to
install it ( I am somewhat mechanically challenged) but I am really stumped
on how much line I need to purchase for the furler drum. Has anybody else
put on a furler and how much line was needed for the furler drum. 

Thank you in advance for all your advice and input. 

Michael Akridge
M-17 Pepperjack #652

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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:29:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: pepperjack has arrived!
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michael: 
?
great news on the boat's arrival! have fun trying to get any boat-work done
as all the neighbors stop and say/ask, "what type of boat is that?"; "nice
boat!"; etc ... 
look forward to seeing pictures of PEPPERJACK. 
?
?
dave scobie
m15 #288 - SCRED 
visit Scred's www-site: http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred
?

--- On Tue, 10/28/08, Michael Akridge <twosailors@att.net> wrote:

Well Monty Sailors, the day has final arrived. My new M-17, Pepperjack, #652
arrived early this morning. What a beautiful sight she is!!! 

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