I think there's pics on the MSOGphoto site? One that I have attached...interesting indeed. cheers, John On 11/12/2018 02:14 PM, jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote:
Gary has a neat mainsheet arrangement that I'm thinking about copying- maybe he'll share it with us.
-----Original Message----- From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 12:12 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17
John, re. your comment -
YMMV, just my thoughts...you have to work (pull in or out of camcleat) each side separately to adjust yours, so the loop between the camcleats is not a benefit AFAICT. The 'loop' or continuous line between the two cam cleats allows the helmsperson to release the 'old' upwind side of the traveler after having tacked the boat with out having to reach down to the 'old' weather side cleat. There is a benefit with the continuous line. The Harken self-tacking car is WAY to large for this or the 17 application in my opinion (trav. on the floor) you lose movement of the car on the short bit of track the floor mounted travelers have with the wide self -tacking car. Hey - it's sailing and nobody is scoring - just find the BEST way for yourself!! Heck-I removed mine COMPLETELY and I race more than I cruise (maybe changing here any day...) Have Fun go sailing! GO
-----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sun, Nov 11, 2018 9:58 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17
To clarify between mine & Dave's answer - his gives you a single line that runs through the whole setup.
The loop of that line between the two camcleats, across the width of the cockpit from seat level, I would find to be totally in the way, and a tripping and entanglement hazard, for a mid-cockpit traveler. Even with a lot of slack you have a loop hanging across the cockpit, fast at both ends.
For a transom mounted traveler, not such a problem.
You can have one line each side without creating that hazard. Equivalent to running it as Dave describes and then cutting it in the middle.
YMMV, just my thoughts...you have to work (pull in or out of camcleat) each side separately to adjust yours, so the loop between the camcleats is not a benefit AFAICT.
cheers, John
On 11/11/2018 08:20 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:
Ed:
Nope, that ain't right.
Attach the line to the becket one of the blocks attached to the cockpit footwell wall. Run the line inboard through the traveler car block facing the becket. Run the line back to the block and up through the cam-cleat fairlead and then over to the opposite cam-cleat down to the block on the facing cockpit wall. Line now goes back to the traveler to the car block and the back to the becket.
Another way to state: tie line to becket on footwell wall run through traveler block run back and through block on footwell wall up to camcleat loop over to opposite wall camcleat down through footwell block in board through traveler block and back becket and tied.
Hope one of the above descriptions helps!
Your set up is the same as on SWEET PEA'S ... I don't have a picture. Currently I'm 100+ miles from her so can't take a picture.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Sun, Nov 11, 2018, 7:28 PM Edward Cazier <edward.cazier@gmail.com wrote:
Here is the photo of the traveler, with my attempt to rig it. A description or photo of the correct rigging would be greatly appreciated.
Ed
On Nov 7, 2018, at 5:57 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
I have some pics of someone's 1981 M17 where it's mid-cockpit (e.g. sheet just clears front of tiller). Setup as Dave described, track with car that can be moved to various stop positions between the two ends of the track. So I think that would be your expected location, unless some prior owner moved it or rigged it some other way.
cheers, John
On 11/07/2018 03:50 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:
Gary - Yep ... I don't know why I was thinking M15. ??? Ed - Jerry did many different setups over the years. Usually the difference being the traveler,.in the cockpit floor, is further aft from the companionway as boat production progressed (a 70s boat traveler at the companionway and by the 90s the middle of the cockpit). The usual is a t-track with a car to which the mainsheet hardware connects. The make/model changes in addition to how the car is adjusted on the track. This ignores the fact that owner(s) prior to you may have changed the setup. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 2:18 PM edwin jenkins <ejenkins1953@gmail.com wrote:
Well I will have to next spring ,for I have it covered for the winter
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From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 1:52 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17
Ed, I think Dave is referring to a M-15 traveler? If you have a M-17 - there are many types of travelers - can you post a photo of the hardware you have ? We can get it figured from the photo. Thanks, Gary O.M-17 Sail# 354 - 'Tiny Purple Fishes' (one of a few that has had the traveler removed!)
-----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wed, Nov 7, 2018 10:52 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler rigging for Montgomery 17
Ed.
The traveler is a 1/4" line with a block similar to a Harken #2649 (rope traveler block). I don't have the length of the line, but it needs to be set so when you pull the mainsheet tight the aft end of the boom is just at the aft quarter (tighter makes the boat sail worse - I've found many M15s where the main is oversheeted because of a too short mainsheet traveler). A M15 owner can share the length.
The tie an 8-knot in one end. Run line through one of the transom holes (by the aft end of the combing); run line through the block, run line through the second (opposite) transom hole and tie an 8-knot.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Nov 7, 2018, 6:46 AM Edward Cazier <edward.cazier@gmail.com wrote:
> Greetings all - I have a 1981 Montgomery 17 (Scooby Doo - sail #888) that > has been recently repainted (need to create a page and upload > photos - she > looks great!). Unfortunately, the boat yard that did the work returned > several elements of the rigging in a chaotic state. I have been > able to > fix all of the chaos, except for the traveler. Would someone send a photo > / direct me to a page on the Montgomery website with a photo of the correct > rigging for the traveler? > > Thanks, > > Ed >
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