9 May
2013
9 May
'13
2:19 p.m.
Sorry. This is a link to The Montgomery Group on the web. You use this link on your computer to get to a link where you can join. I highly recommend it as it's an interesting bunch and can answer any question you may have about Montgomery boats. Most people have 15's and 17's. The page I sent you had a discussion of what car/truck people are using to tow their M 15 with. http://msog.org/listserv.cfm On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 11:49 AM, < montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner@mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: pickup for towing (Daniel Rich) > 2. Re: pickup for towing (Daniel Rich) > 3. Re: pickup for towing (GILASAILR@aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 08 May 2013 10:22:14 -0700 > From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> > To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: pickup for towing > Message-ID: <518A89C6.3060706@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > This is good information. My Honda Accord has 240 HP and has no trouble > towing. But, the problem as I see it is the braking. It is not designed > for this, and I am concerned with regards to safety. So, it looks like a > V6 Ford Ranger would do well. Lots of them on the used market at > reasonable prices. > > Daniel > On 5/8/2013 9:40 AM, W David Scobie wrote: > >> ... a base model Ranger or Tacoma with the small engine? > >> Aren't they still rated higher for towing? > > the 'base' ranger with the small 4-cylinder engine looks like a truck > ... but it is really underpowered. > > > > i don't know specifics for the much older trucks. my 2005 ranger owners > manual says that the 2.3L 4-cyclinder ranger 2-wheel drive, standard cab > with a 6' bed can handle a trailer 1600 lbs. now the BUT the GCWR is 4800. > 7' bed trailer weight 1520 lbs, GCWR 4800. extended 'super' cab with 6' > bed 1420 lbs and GCWR 4800. > > > > go to an automatic and gain an extra 600 lbs of towing capacity and 700 > lbs GCWR. > > > > the 'dry' curb weight for the standard ranger is 3050 lbs (no > passengers, no gas, no cooler of beer). my bet, as the listed weight is > 'stripped' truck, is the real curb weight is around 3500 lbs and then add > your weight + your stuff. > > > > after showing the numbers i'll say way i said 'no' to the 'little > engined' ranger - > > > > the 2.3L is REALLY REALLY underpowered. when i worked for Univ. of > Minnesota in the mid-90s the department truck was a late 80s standard > ranger with the little engine. OK for driving around town ... but it had > difficulty keeping highway speed when going into a headwind or climbing the > small Minnesota hills. yes a newer ranger will have more horsepower ... > but not that much more. > > > > i owned a 3.0L ranger for 11 years. the 3.0L also also had difficulty > going into a Minnesota headwind and wasn't the best climber (it was a slow > drive up the Cascades, Olympics and Rockies when i moved to Washington and > spent many a weekend and week camping and driving in these mountains). i > towed some utility trailers with this truck and it was a slug when you > attempted to get up to highway speeds and even slower when climbing hills. > > > > based on the above you will be at the max weight for a 2.3L ranger. i > don't recommend towing at the max weight for a vehicle. hard on the > vehicle's parts and hard on you as the vehicle is at the max and you will > be working harder to control the load (braking, climbing hills, going down > hills, turns, etc). > > > > ultimately the choice is yours ... just my 2-cents and comments from the > peanut gallery :-) > > > > have no idea on the 'toyo' small truck. last time i drove one was back > in the the 80s (a friend's, not my truck). > > > > good hunting Daniel. > > > > > > :: Dave Scobie > > > > > > --- On Wed, 5/8/13, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> I have been able to tow my M15 with > >> my Honda Accord. But, the Accord is > >> only rated to 1000 pounds. It tows the boat with ease, but > >> as I say, my > >> boat and trailer weigh 1600 pounds. So, it seems to me > >> getting something > >> rated higher would make some sense, especially since with > >> the Leaf I > >> don't need another sedan. So a small truck seems like a good > >> idea. What > >> about a base model Ranger or Tacoma with the small engine? > >> Aren't they > >> still rated higher for towing? > >> > >> Daniel > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 08 May 2013 10:24:03 -0700 > From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> > To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: pickup for towing > Message-ID: <518A8A33.4030005@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Nice, thanks! > > Daniel > On 5/8/2013 10:04 AM, W David Scobie wrote: > > Steve: > > > > i do like my 4L V6. lots of HP and in the last two years towed boats > about 45,000 from coast to coast. all of this is with a small camper on > the truck. > > > > i've attached a picture showing my setup. i no longer own the M15 > pictured (photo from June '08). for 'current' status just imagine a M17 or > Sage 17 behind the truck. > > > > > > :: Dave Scobie > > > > --- On Wed, 5/8/13, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote: > > > >> Dave, > >> Get the V-6, not the smaller 4 cylinder. > >> The folks who compiled the specs or wrote the advertising > >> brochures have probably never tried to tow a boat over a > >> hill or on a highway. > >> Steve > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "W David Scobie" <wdscobie@yahoo.com> > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 9:40 AM > >> > >> > >>>> ... a base model Ranger or Tacoma with the small > >> engine? > >>>> Aren't they still rated higher for towing? > >>> the 'base' ranger with the small 4-cylinder engine > >> looks like a truck ... but it is really underpowered. > >>> i don't know specifics for the much older trucks. > >> my 2005 ranger owners manual says that the 2.3L 4-cyclinder > >> ranger 2-wheel drive, standard cab with a 6' bed can handle > >> a trailer 1600 lbs. now the BUT the GCWR is > >> 4800. 7' bed trailer weight 1520 lbs, GCWR 4800. > >> extended 'super' cab with 6' bed 1420 lbs and GCWR 4800. > >>> go to an automatic and gain an extra 600 lbs of towing > >> capacity and 700 lbs GCWR. > >>> the 'dry' curb weight for the standard ranger is 3050 > >> lbs (no passengers, no gas, no cooler of beer). my > >> bet, as the listed weight is 'stripped' truck, is the real > >> curb weight is around 3500 lbs and then add your weight + > >> your stuff. > >>> after showing the numbers i'll say way i said 'no' to > >> the 'little engined' ranger - > >>> the 2.3L is REALLY REALLY underpowered. when i > >> worked for Univ. of Minnesota in the mid-90s the department > >> truck was a late 80s standard ranger with the little > >> engine. OK for driving around town ... but it had > >> difficulty keeping highway speed when going into a headwind > >> or climbing the small Minnesota hills. yes a newer > >> ranger will have more horsepower ... but not that much > >> more. > >>> i owned a 3.0L ranger for 11 years. the 3.0L also > >> also had difficulty going into a Minnesota headwind and > >> wasn't the best climber (it was a slow drive up the > >> Cascades, Olympics and Rockies when i moved to Washington > >> and spent many a weekend and week camping and driving in > >> these mountains). i towed some utility trailers with > >> this truck and it was a slug when you attempted to get up to > >> highway speeds and even slower when climbing hills. > >>> based on the above you will be at the max weight for a > >> 2.3L ranger. i don't recommend towing at the max > >> weight for a vehicle. hard on the vehicle's parts and > >> hard on you as the vehicle is at the max and you will be > >> working harder to control the load (braking, climbing hills, > >> going down hills, turns, etc). > >>> ultimately the choice is yours ... just my 2-cents and > >> comments from the peanut gallery :-) > >>> have no idea on the 'toyo' small truck. last time > >> i drove one was back in the the 80s (a friend's, not my > >> truck). > >>> good hunting Daniel. > >>> > >>> > >>> :: Dave Scobie > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 14:45:21 -0400 (EDT) > From: GILASAILR@aol.com > To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: pickup for towing > Message-ID: <e442f.35cc846d.3ebbf741@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > Have towed M-17 with 3.4 V6 Toyota 4Runner 5speed (towed MUCH heavier > loads) and currently tow M-17 with 3.4 Tacoma dbl cab - auto - works > great. > > Don't dis the 4 bangers.- ( the Toyota 4 (22R) was used in a 1 ton > chassis (dually) and was available as a chassis mounted 22 foot motorhome > - over > 28 manufacturers!!) see photo for example.- 4 bangers can be quite capable > if properly equipped. Braking is always the determining factor - My > opinion - but golly - I used to drive a 62 VW bus either towing a C-15 or > with my > M-10 on a roof rack -just in case - 'slow' doesn't bother me. 40hp in 1 > ton truck. > > Plenty of Rangers available - good trucks (hold their value well too) and > they are now collectible as Ford does not offer them in US anymore! > > Your mileage may very vary- remember ALWAYS wear eye protection............ > and write home - they are wondering what's happening. > > GO > > > In a message dated 5/8/2013 9:31:36 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > stevetrapp@q.com writes: > > Rich, > I recommend a lighter truck, such as a Ford Ranger or Toyota of the > comparable model with a V-6 for towing the M-15. I have attempted to tow > my M-15 > with lighter vehicles with 4 cylinders, and also found that although > dealers are more than happy to sell towing packages, the lighter > vechicles with > smaller engines just don't have enough muscle to feel comfortable on > highways or hills. My towing involves hills and Interstates, and my > Ranger with > the V-6 does fine. I think a bigger truck would be more than I need. > Steve > M-15 # 335 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel Rich" <danielgrich@gmail.com> > To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 8:44 AM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: pickup for towing > > > >I have been able to tow my M15 with my Honda Accord. But, the Accord is > > only rated to 1000 pounds. It tows the boat with ease, but as I say, my > > boat and trailer weigh 1600 pounds. So, it seems to me getting something > > > rated higher would make some sense, especially since with the Leaf I > > don't need another sedan. So a small truck seems like a good idea. What > > about a base model Ranger or Tacoma with the small engine? Aren't they > > still rated higher for towing? > > > > Daniel > > On 5/7/2013 7:42 PM, George Iemmolo wrote: > >> Daniel > >> > >> I towed my just purchased M15 from Pittsburg, PA to Valparaiso, IN last > >> month with my 2006 Volvo S60 no problem > >> > >> George > >> Merry Helen II > >> #602 > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com > >> [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of > Conbert > >> Benneck > >> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 5:30 PM > >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: pickup for towing > >> > >> On 07-May-13 4:28 PM, Daniel Rich wrote: > >> > >> Hi Daniel, > >> > >> I towed my M15 from Florida, where I bought it, to Connecticut, and > then > >> all over the place - Lake Champlain, Moosehead Lake, ME, the > >> Chesapeake,, Florida, using originally a VW-GTI and later a VW-Jetta > >> wagon with a VR6 engine and automatic transmission. > >> > >> I never had a problem; towing; launching or retrieving the M15. > >> > >> Connie > >> > >> M15 #400 LEPPO > >>> Montypals: > >>> > >>> Gonna pick up a Nissan Leaf EV in a few weeks. As such, I am going to > >>> likely sell my Honda Accord. So, I'm thinking it might be nice to have > >>> a small pickup truck to tow my M15. Weight of boat and trailer is 1600 > >>> pounds. I know because I weighed it twice since I couldn't believe it > >>> the first time! > >>> > >>> So, what would be a good used pickup that would have the capacity to > >>> tow this package? Would a used base Tacoma do it? Any thoughts here? > >>> > >>> Daniel > >>> M15 Kestrel > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3162/6308 - Release Date: > 05/08/13 > > >