Been trying to send pictures of my M17 (Atta Baby, #259 -- Wife's name is Atta -- have an O'Day 25 up north named, Atta Girl). Sending pictures is new to me and I am finding all the ways there are to screw it up. Just want to tie together all those confusing pictures I have sent. Some are of Atta Baby in her hoist, some of her kickup rudder, and some of the Ronstan halyard swivel cam cleats I use (by the way, the halyards are 1/4 inch xbraid, not 5/16). I am learning a great deal about Montgomerys in general and rudders in particular by reading your emails. I was always confused by rudder foil physics and tended to think it was a bit of lilly gilding. I know better now. This web site is great. Thanks to those responsible. Hopefully my photos and thoughts will contribute to the knowledge pool. Looking forward to Florida Montgomery group sails. Dick Straubel Atta Baby -- #259 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term'