Mark, Try it - you'll never go back to a boltrope at the foot. Advantage - better sail shape on lower section of sail. - tying in reef lines at cringles is easier/better accomplished and less potential for damaging sail (make sure the line is around the sail ONLY - not the boom) with loose foot - Less time spent bending on the sail. - Faster dousing the mainsail - release clew and drop halyard - no need to remove foot from track or sailslot.Disadvantage- Can't think of one. GO -----Original Message----- From: sal glesser via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2019 1:16 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sail opinions Hi Mark, We've converted all of the boats to loose footed. Even our old Moore 24 performs better with a loose footed main. sal Sage Marine In a message dated 1/12/2019 12:59:21 PM Mountain Standard Time, mdvorscak56@gmail.com writes: Loose footed main or bolt rope? Need to decide before I order sails. I'venever had a loose footed main but I know lots of people like them. Anybodywish to contribute to my education by listing the advantages anddisadvantages of each?Mark DvorscakM23 Faith On Fri, Jan 11, 2019, 22:06 <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote:
I'd use no-stretch, and make the jib halyard 5/16; the size is needed to> make it hold on the winch and in the cleat.>> -----Original Message-----> From: Mark Dvorscak> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 8:20 PM> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M23 halyards>> Thanks for the info. Mine are all line and appear to be about 12mm. I think> I should be able to go down to 8 mm without any problems...>> On Fri, Jan 11, 2019, 16:38 <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote:>> > Originally I used spliced halyards; probably 1/4 line on the main, and> > 5/16> > on the jib. 1/8 7X19 wire on all.> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: Mark Dvorscak> > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2019 7:27 PM> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats> > Subject: M_Boats: M23 halyards> >> > Anybody know what the original halyard line size was on the M23? Mine> feel> > like they are a little large for the sheave and I'm thinking of ordering> > some new ones.> > Mark Dvorscak> > M23 Faith> >> > On Sun, Dec 16, 2018, 08:31 Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com wrote:> >> > > Gary,> > >> > > The further from home you roam, the more equipment you need on board to> > > take care of the "unexpected" situations you will encounter.> > >> > > From my big boat experience: on my M15 I carried three anchors; a> small> > > Bruce; a small aluminum Danforth; and a small Fortress that I found at> a> > > Tag Sale. These covered sand, mud, rocky bottoms, with the Fortress> > > being a storm anchor with lots of chain and a very long rode.> > >> > > Then you need a fender board. This is just a 2" X 3" about 36" long,> > > longer is better, with a lanyard at each end.> > >> > > If you try to tie up to a dock with pilings, and with a tide range, the> > > problem is that the boat will move so how do you keep the horizontal> > > fender against the piling? The answer is a fender board. You drop> two> > > fenders; adjust their height; and then outboard of the fenders, you> hang> > > the fender board. The fender board can rub against barnacles; it's> > > replaceable;, but it protects your hull from damage.> > >> > > Now you have a 36" long surface that goes up against the piling; the> > > boat can move (waves / power boat wakes / tide) and the M15/M17 is> > > safely moored.> > >> > > OFF CENTER HARBOR website has a video showing you a neat way to rig> your> > > anchors, one in deep water the other at the beach, so that you can get> > > ashore, but then pull a line that moves the boat out to deeper water> for> > > safety overnight. The retrieve line is at the beach, or on board, so> in> > > the morning you pull on the line and the boat comes ashore so that you> > > can board, or go ashore again.> > >> > > Happy sailing,> > >> > > Connie> > >> > > On 11/29/2018 11:03 AM, Chuck via montgomery_boats wrote:> > > > When us the LPM?> > > >> > > >> > > > -----Original Message-----> > > > From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats<> > > montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > > To: montgomery_boats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > > Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 8:30 am> > > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > > >> > > > I'll take it's picture the next time I go to the Lake!> > > >> > > >> > > > -----Original Message-----> > > > From: doug<doug9326@gmail.com>> > > > To: Gary Oberbeck<gilasailr@aol.com>; For and about Montgomery> > > Sailboats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > > Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 1:11 pm> > > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > > >> > > > Thats funny. How about a sand anchor, dirt anchor. How far is that> > > closest tree???> > > >> > > >> On Nov 27, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats<> > > montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:> > > >>> > > >> Which tree??> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> -----Original Message-----> > > >> From: jerry<jerry@jerrymontgomery.org>> > > >> To: PHILIP MCCOWIN<pmcc_imagen@mac.com>; For and about Montgomery> > > Sailboats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > >> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 12:45 pm> > > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > > >>> > > >> And we're going to have a fishing contest, and if successful, eat> > > >> some> > > fish.> > > >> Dynamite is not allowed unless you bring a chainsaw to get the fish> > out> > > of> > > >> the trees.> > > >>> > > >> Be good to see you there, Phil.> > > >>> > > >> -----Original Message-----> > > >> From: PHILIP MCCOWIN via montgomery_boats> > > >> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 3:59 PM> > > >> To: Gary Oberbeck ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats> > > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > > >> WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > > >>> > > >> Hi Gary,> > > >>> > > >> Not involved with the Leukemia Cup Debacle? So, sailing for fun> > > >> instead?> > > >> Sounds Good, maybe the Long Steps will be ready!> > > >>> > > >> Phil> > > >>> On Nov 16, 2018, at 4:46 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats> > > >>> <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:> > > >>>> > > >>> Lake Pleasant, AZ Winter Messabout> > >> >> >> >> On Jan 11, 2019 16:38, <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:>> Originally I used spliced halyards; probably 1/4 line on the main, and 5/16> on the jib. 1/8 7X19 wire on all.>> -----Original Message-----> From: Mark Dvorscak> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2019 7:27 PM> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats> Subject: M_Boats: M23 halyards>> Anybody know what the original halyard line size was on the M23? Mine feel> like they are a little large for the sheave and I'm thinking of ordering> some new ones.> Mark Dvorscak> M23 Faith>> On Sun, Dec 16, 2018, 08:31 Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com wrote:>> > Gary,> >> > The further from home you roam, the more equipment you need on board to> > take care of the "unexpected" situations you will encounter.> >> > From my big boat experience: on my M15 I carried three anchors; a small> > Bruce; a small aluminum Danforth; and a small Fortress that I found at a> > Tag Sale. These covered sand, mud, rocky bottoms, with the Fortress> > being a storm anchor with lots of chain and a very long rode.> >> > Then you need a fender board. This is just a 2" X 3" about 36" long,> > longer is better, with a lanyard at each end.> >> > If you try to tie up to a dock with pilings, and with a tide range, the> > problem is that the boat will move so how do you keep the horizontal> > fender against the piling? The answer is a fender board. You drop two> > fenders; adjust their height; and then outboard of the fenders, you hang> > the fender board. The fender board can rub against barnacles; it's> > replaceable;, but it protects your hull from damage.> >> > Now you have a 36" long surface that goes up against the piling; the> > boat can move (waves / power boat wakes / tide) and the M15/M17 is> > safely moored.> >> > OFF CENTER HARBOR website has a video showing you a neat way to rig your> > anchors, one in deep water the other at the beach, so that you can get> > ashore, but then pull a line that moves the boat out to deeper water for> > safety overnight. The retrieve line is at the beach, or on board, so in> > the morning you pull on the line and the boat comes ashore so that you> > can board, or go ashore again.> >> > Happy sailing,> >> > Connie> >> > On 11/29/2018 11:03 AM, Chuck via montgomery_boats wrote:> > > When us the LPM?> > >> > >> > > -----Original Message-----> > > From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats<> > montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > To: montgomery_boats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 8:30 am> > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > >> > > I'll take it's picture the next time I go to the Lake!> > >> > >> > > -----Original Message-----> > > From: doug<doug9326@gmail.com>> > > To: Gary Oberbeck<gilasailr@aol.com>; For and about Montgomery> > Sailboats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 1:11 pm> > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > >> > > Thats funny. How about a sand anchor, dirt anchor. How far is that> > closest tree???> > >> > >> On Nov 27, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats<> > montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:> > >>> > >> Which tree??> > >>> > >>> > >> -----Original Message-----> > >> From: jerry<jerry@jerrymontgomery.org>> > >> To: PHILIP MCCOWIN<pmcc_imagen@mac.com>; For and about Montgomery> > Sailboats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > >> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 12:45 pm> > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > >>> > >> And we're going to have a fishing contest, and if successful, eat some> > fish.> > >> Dynamite is not allowed unless you bring a chainsaw to get the fish> out> > of> > >> the trees.> > >>> > >> Be good to see you there, Phil.> > >>> > >> -----Original Message-----> > >> From: PHILIP MCCOWIN via montgomery_boats> > >> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 3:59 PM> > >> To: Gary Oberbeck ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats> > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > >> WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > >>> > >> Hi Gary,> > >>> > >> Not involved with the Leukemia Cup Debacle? So, sailing for fun> > >> instead?> > >> Sounds Good, maybe the Long Steps will be ready!> > >>> > >> Phil> > >>> On Nov 16, 2018, at 4:46 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats> > >>> <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:> > >>>> > >>> Lake Pleasant, AZ Winter Messabout> >>>>