I do actually have blocks and swivels on the combing already... On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 09:04:29 AM PST, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
If using a Genoa bigger than the stock 128% are folks moving sheets back n out to the rail?
A sail larger than a 128% requires installing job sheet tracks and blocks on the toerails along with a clear on the combing. At least $500-600 in parts in addition to needing to gaining access to the underside of the combing to install the cleats
going back to Larry’s initial quandary re ocean sailing
Michael Mann discussed his M15 sail setup for going to Hawaii in his book "A Little Breeze to the West". :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com On Fri, Jan 13, 2023, 08:52 Alex Conley <conley.alex@gmail.com> wrote:
Another thought on reducing sail without a the hassle n potential jamming of a roller fuller- do you have one reef or two in the main? I switched to two reefs when replacing sails, and that second reef really calms things down much more dramatically than a headsail change- it gets rid of more sail and moves the center of effort way lower, and really settles down the helm.
I’ll also second Rusty on using a smaller jib (85% in our case, vs the stock 128%) when you know it’s going to be howling- which our lake often is. Not only reduces sail area a bit, but also reduces the flogging and sheet pressure of handling the jib in a breeze. Since we started using baby jib on windy days, I’ve hardly used the second reef- but knowing it is there really builds confidence that you could handle more breeze on the way home if you had to. Sometime the wind drops and I wish I had the bigger jib on, but by then things are calm enough I could swap it out- but never do, cause really it’s not big a deal to sail a quarter knot slower…
Curious, for those who are using roller furling and maybe a larger jib, what range of effective jib sizes you are getting? If using a Genoa bigger than the stock 128% are folks moving sheets back n out to the rail? I imagine you gain a bit off the wind in lighter air (hmm, daydreaming of a drifter that would do the same thing…) but loose pointing ability? And how small can you go before the cut of the sail (and the windage of the big furled sail on the luff) make the jib effectively useless? My gut is that 85% to 128% is about the effective range for a jib on an m15, with a smaller true storm jib really only valuable for heaving to or riding with a drogue in weather I don’t want to be out in, and a larger jib doing little a drifter wouldn’t do for light air sailing. Curious what others think! And now wondering about a whole nother discussion- set up n pros n cons of a drifter vs a spinnaker on an m15….
Hmm- going back to Larry’s initial quandary re ocean sailing, maybe a smaller hanked jib, a large 2nd reef in the main and a moderate sized drifter that could be handled from the cockpit for off wind speed in light/moderate airs would be a good combo for knowing you could handle stronger winds and yet getting home with some speed if they drop all without leaving the cockpit- just depends how much light air upwind performance matters in your waters (that would be the weak link in this setup)… might save the cost, fuss, windage, weight and risk of jamming of a furler.
But now to work, where way too many of the documents start with a sentence awfully like Lawrence’s toungue in check opening to the email that started this chain…
Alex