For reinstalling deck hardware after painting I used Gorilla brand "construction adhesive". It is a white caulk like substance. I apply it to parts I want to bed and tighten the fasteners to nearly the finished torque. The next day any ooze out can be tried flush to the hardware. It never sets up hard but remains flexible, doesn't discolor. I'm very happy with the results. The instructions say to clean up with alcohol, but waiting for it to cure then trimming is a better idea. Available at big box stores, Ace Hardware, etc. 10$ a tube. Jon Barber Monty17 Ol'44 On Sun, Jun 13, 2021, 5:22 PM <montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
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1. Re: Tape for deck hardware re-bedding? (Edward Epifani) 2. Re: Tape for deck hardware re-bedding? (Dave Scobie) 3. Re: Tape for deck hardware re-bedding? (Charlie Fortner) 4. Re: Tape for deck hardware re-bedding? (Daniel Rich)
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Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2021 22:37:57 +0000 From: Edward Epifani <edepifani@hotmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Tape for deck hardware re-bedding? To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <CO1PR10MB4771A04B799F423BE3FD7226B2329@CO1PR10MB4771.nam prd10.prod.outlook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
I second the request, about to lift and re-bed Hardware. Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 13, 2021, at 3:32 PM, Charlie Fortner <charlie@rentrof.net> wrote:
Hello Wrinkleboat lovers!
What's you're favorite material for re-bedding deck hardware? I've used some sort of caulk-like stuff -- can't remember what -- in the past. It was goo in a tube.
I've seen butyl tape recommended, but never used it. Do you have experience with butyl tape? Does it hold up?
Are there other bedding materials I should look at? It'd be great if I could re-bed and then immediately go sail.
Thanks,
Charlie -- Charlie Fortner M-15 #411 Earth, USA, GA, Atlanta
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Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2021 16:06:56 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Tape for deck hardware re-bedding? To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <CAGjBOA5p= wEoKwY7pzRiu5gM+U74mKuQZP-h1LctLoEpM6B3iA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Charlie:
I prefer Sikaflex 291 or 3M4000/4200.
I've used butyl tape in rare circumstances when the hardware being bedded is chemically incompatible with Sikaflex or 3M.
I currently have one item bedded with butyl - a Spinlock rope clutch that will be damaged by 3M or Sikaflex. The butyl keeps the water out ... BUT ... the problem with the product is it slowly weeps a sticky oily slick that attracts dirt. Why I don't like the product. Yes it is easy to use and keeps the water out but is constantly making a mess.
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On Sun, Jun 13, 2021, 3:32 PM Charlie Fortner <charlie@rentrof.net> wrote:
Hello Wrinkleboat lovers!
What's you're favorite material for re-bedding deck hardware? I've used some sort of caulk-like stuff -- can't remember what -- in the past. It was goo in a tube.
I've seen butyl tape recommended, but never used it. Do you have experience with butyl tape? Does it hold up?
Are there other bedding materials I should look at? It'd be great if I could re-bed and then immediately go sail.
Thanks,
Charlie -- Charlie Fortner M-15 #411 Earth, USA, GA, Atlanta
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Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2021 19:40:38 -0400 From: "Charlie Fortner" <charlie@rentrof.net> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Tape for deck hardware re-bedding? To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <7df7bff1-7c4a-40cf-9fb6-20b7c823ca6b@www.fastmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain
On Sun, Jun 13, 2021, at 19:06, Dave Scobie wrote:
I've used butyl tape in rare circumstances when the hardware being bedded is chemically incompatible with Sikaflex or 3M.
Dave - you're a font of wrinkleboat knowledge. Thanks so much!
Is there a way to know the chemical compatibility? Are there particular plastics that are definitely incompatible?
Most of the hardware I'll be over-drilling / epoxying / re-drilling / re-bedding is some sort of plastic. Most of it is original to my 1988 M-15, but a I have a couple of more recent Harken cam cleats.
Charlie
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Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2021 17:21:42 -0700 From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Tape for deck hardware re-bedding? To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <35FF70F5-055B-4CFA-A325-C49E7366C6A0@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Interesting regarding the butyl tape. I am a big fan actually. I bedded all the hardware on my SCAMP with it. So easy to use and remove when required. Like nothing to it. I have not had that oozing problem.
Daniel
On Jun 13, 2021, at 4:41 PM, Charlie Fortner <charlie@rentrof.net> wrote:
On Sun, Jun 13, 2021, at 19:06, Dave Scobie wrote:
I've used butyl tape in rare circumstances when the hardware being bedded is chemically incompatible with Sikaflex or 3M.
Dave - you're a font of wrinkleboat knowledge. Thanks so much!
Is there a way to know the chemical compatibility? Are there particular plastics that are definitely incompatible?
Most of the hardware I'll be over-drilling / epoxying / re-drilling / re-bedding is some sort of plastic. Most of it is original to my 1988 M-15, but a I have a couple of more recent Harken cam cleats.
Charlie
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