I should chip in here, since sometime ago, I complained about the list going off on an automotive tangent. I have a desktop image from Tod Mills of Busca Brisas at the dock that I sail my Pearson Ariel from in Maine. I often daydream about taking Osprey II to this same place, and visualize myself sailing a Montgomery in distant waters. The threads that feed these daydreamsare a wonderful part of this as a resource, the idea of taking a M-17 through the Swedish archipelego or the Adriatic only fuels my enjoyment of this forum. I would chip in a vote for not limiting this forum to narrowly, and recognise that the delete key is a part of my usage of it. There have been many topics which don't pertain to my particular interests, but I know that the poster and many of the list members find value to them, so I scan and delete if appropriate. I will be very sad if this service degrades to a flame fest, and respectfully ask for decorum. Thomas Howe M-17 Osprey II