GILASAILR, I think some of it comes from just looking at raw specifications, from people that haven't sailed the boats. For example, Steve Henkel's book "The Sailor's Book of Small Cruising Sailboats" says that the M15 points worse than other sailboats it's size due to reduced maximum draft. But I think this is ignoring that it's really a large low aspect ratio keel, much larger in surface area than the deeper but shorter centerboard on most other boats this size. Still, I expect keel depth does make a big difference. Serge Testa's book "500 Days: Around the World on a 12 Foot Yacht" claims that his 12 foot boat with a very deep bulb keel was able to point to windward in anything under 70 knots, and could hold position in over 70 knots! I can't wait to try for myself in SF Bay, but I've heard the M15 doesn't really go to windward in over 20 knots. That might have been on boats that didn't have good heavy weather sails? Tyler M15 ----- Original Message ----- From: GILASAILR@aol.com To: "montgomery boats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 7:55:29 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: P-15 vs M-15 vs CP-16 Tyler - it appears you waded through the conflicting info. {;>) " Dude - my 63 Simca handles like it's on rails, goes 135 MPH and gets 20 MPG - it is the coolest" By nature we usually 'defend' our choices /purchases/investments as being good and 'right' - sometimes I actually luck out. GO In a message dated 12/3/2013 6:21:36 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, casioqv@usermail.com writes: I don't have enough experience to help with the review, but I can't wait to read it! In deciding which small trailer sailor to buy, I found extremely conflicting information on the relative windward performance of these boats. Perhaps it would be possible to find or generate some objective data on this? Thanks, Tyler M15