I did, and he won . . . :-) HOWEVER, my jib is a 110% that has been downsized slightly to fit a CDI Flexible Furler foil . . . My partner had the 120% out . . . My outboard was trailing in the water . . . I know very little about attaining the most efficient sail trim . . . I don't think we were evenly matched . . . I'm hoping someone with legitimate experience might weigh in . . . ----- Original Message ----- From: <htmills@bright.net> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 9:16 PM Subject: speed . . . shoot, Craig....aren't you the guy with both of those boats? Why not race your co-owner and give us the results? Tod -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Honshells Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 7:08 PM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: speed . . . No one wants to field this one? The M17 has an L.W.L. of 15' 10" . . . The M17 displaces 1,550 lbs . . . The Flicka 20' has an L.W.L. of 18' 2" . . . The Flicka 20' displaces 6,000 lbs . . . I know the Flicka has the L.W.L. advantage, speed-wise, but that WEIGHT . . . And it's reported that M17's can outrun Catalina 22's . . . _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats