the seaward fox is a nice looking little boat. with her short keel does she sail even close to the M17? the 'wing' is said to help ... but does it really make up for lost depth? as you have a sloop version i'm she she does better into the wind than the catboat style. her length makes the montgomery fans wish for a M19 or M20 ;-) dave scobie M17 #375 - SWEET PEA visit SWEET PEA's www-site: http://www.m17.375.webs.com --- On Fri, 11/5/10, Ronnie Keeler <ronkeeler@hotmail.com> wrote: ... my "new to me" Seaward Fox at the local sign shop and they look great too. Why sell my Monty and buy a Fox........ 40 inch draft with Griselda's fin keel vs. 20 inch with the Prudence's wing. I have less than 3 feet of water at my dock right now which is normal in the Fall. And, yes, I do sail year round. I was out in Prudence this afternoon in 15 to 25 mph winds with a reefed main and working jib. 68 degrees which is considered cold for this area. Of course, when it is 100f and 85% humidity in the Summer............. Whitebeard