THANKS FOR THE SUGGESTIONS , REFERENCE TRAILER LOCKS. TONY V. In a message dated 5/20/2013 2:55:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com writes: Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner@mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: mast raising on M-23, as easy as NorSea 27? (Todd Bradley) 2. Re: trailer locks (George Iemmolo) 3. Re: mast raising on M-23, as easy as NorSea 27? (Nebwest2@aol.com) 4. Re: trailer locks (W David Scobie) 5. Re: mast raising on M-23, as easy as NorSea 27? (Nebwest2@aol.com) 6. Re: mast raising on M-23, as easy as NorSea 27? (jerry montgomery) 7. Re: mast raising on M-23, as easy as NorSea 27? (Tom Jenkins) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 07:45:34 -0700 From: "Todd Bradley" <todd@btbuilders.net> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: mast raising on M-23, as easy as NorSea 27? Message-ID: <001201ce5568$b0f4dc40$12de94c0$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Robbin - Thanks for posting this question. I need help also. I am a new M-23 owner and I will be lowering the mast next week and I have got to admit a bit nervous. I have been scanning the internet for any videos or methods. Sounds like Sean use some type of homemade A-frame and lowers and raises to/from the stern. I am not sure if this method can be performed without modification to the original boat/equipment. I think the original method is to lower and raise using the boom as a gin pole? Any advice is helpful. Thank you! Todd Bradley M-23 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Robbin Roddewig Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 6:27 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: mast raising on M-23, as easy as NorSea 27? Hi all, it is time to raise the mast on the M-23. My son and I tried it with muscle with the mast over the stern and could not raise it safely. I have been watching the NorSea 27 videos which show it being lowered to the bow with the main sheet using the boom as a gin pole. Has anyone got more information about this method? Does the NorSea have a set up that I could copy to raise the mast? Thanks in advance! Robbin M-10, M-23 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 11:17:08 -0500 From: "George Iemmolo" <griemmolo2@gmail.com> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: trailer locks Message-ID: <519a4c86.0a1e320a.77b6.011b@mx.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Tony A regular padlock will do. They do sell special padlocks for that purpose. George 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of SCPD103@aol.com Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 8:15 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: trailer locks ANY SUGGESTIONS ON THE BEST LOCKING DEVICES TO US TO SECURE YOUR TRAILER WHEN IT'S HOOKED UP TO YOUR VEHICLE AND PARKED IN THE PARKING LOT AT THE BOAT RAMP? THANKS TONY V. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 12:39:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Nebwest2@aol.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: mast raising on M-23, as easy as NorSea 27? Message-ID: <925eb.3c5c1b39.3ecbabc1@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hey Gang.. yes....I use an A-frame that allows me to do the whole operation singlehanded and under control. The A-frame clamps to the two chainplates and consists of two pipes that go forward to just above the stemhead and then are connected together with 2 U-bolts (one facing up and one facing down.) Two halyard are attached to the top U-bolt and the mainsheet is used to connect to the stemhead and the lower u-bolt. The halyards are then used to raise the A-frame perpendicular to the mast and locked off. The mainsheet then provides more than enough purchase for me to raise the mast by pulling the A-frame back down to the starting position just above the stemhead . I stand at the tabernacle and pull on the mainsheet..this allows me to contol the mast side to side until the shrouds get tight. Actually having the boat ever so slightly leaning to one side when I raise it aids me, in that the mast will want to favor that side in it's sway. This is the side I stand on so the mast can just rest against my hip as it goes up. The A-frame automatically centers the pull on the mast and is not able to sway. I also have an extending mast crutch that allows me to kind of pre-elevate the mast in the rear before I start hoisting it with the mainsheet. The Crutch is a custom aluminum deal I made that fits into a Todd seat post base that is mounted in the aft transverse lazzerette lid. This also doubles as a place to mount a cockpit table. The base of the crutch actually screws into it and then at the tip of the extension section I have three rings that allow me to secure three ratchet straps (one goes left to the dock cleat, one right to the dock cleat and one to a padeye I have mounted in the forward cockpit floor. This stablizes the top of the mast crutch. I lay my mast down aft, rather than the stock setup of going forward with it. I don't like going forward because you get so much weight out in front of the pivot point of the pulpit once the mast is down. I do have to remove the inner shrouds to lay it backwards and I suppose I could rotate the chainplates to alleviate this step, but I have never bothered. I use the velcro cotter pin straps to secure my turnbuckles so it's only a couple of minutes to remove them. I also did not like the amount of pressure on the gooseneck fitting using the boom as the gin pole and laying the mast foward. I don't think that going forward it would be very easy to perfect the system so that you can do it singlehanded. I've been using this system single handed for about 6 years, multiple times a year. It is slower to setup than some systems. I suffered a severe injury to my neck about 9 years ago in a mast raising incident with a Santana 23d which has a very heavy double spreader rig. Not wanting to ever find myself in an Air-E-Vac airplane at 2am again, I probably error on the side of caution and my setup time to many is too long. For me though, it makes me 100% self sufficient and safe. I routinely tow, rig, launch , retrieve , and de-rig solo....and in fact I usually prefer it that way. I will probably step the mast in the next week or two here at home to do some final prep work for the trip to the San Juans. If I do I will try to take some video of the process. I make no claims though that "this is the way to do it". Only that "this is the way I do it". Remember....before you consider copying what I am doing....It's a home made system and the guy that uses it is the same guy that just told you he has injured himself severely in a mast raising incident. LOL ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 09:44:39 -0700 (PDT) From: W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: trailer locks Message-ID: <1369068279.98516.YahooMailClassic@web121702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 tony: i use Trimax's 'universal trailer couple lock' model# UMAX100 in addition to a padlock for the trailers at the shop. :: Dave Scobie --- On Sun, 5/19/13, SCPD103@aol.com <SCPD103@aol.com> wrote:
ANY SUGGESTIONS ON THE BEST LOCKING DEVICES TO US TO SECURE YOUR? TRAILER WHEN IT'S HOOKED UP TO YOUR VEHICLE AND PARKED IN THE PARKING LOT AT THE? BOAT RAMP? THANKS TONY V.
------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 12:50:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Nebwest2@aol.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: mast raising on M-23, as easy as NorSea 27? Message-ID: <92a7d.38e12516.3ecbae45@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Picture of the mast crutch in raised position. Jo was with me so she is helping but I can do this solo and often do