Eldor, don't you dare,, if you do then we will all have to and that would crimp the resources needed for more boat trinkets. On another note for all,, does anyone know what to expect from the weather gods, It's been so hot that the valley must really suck,and if it really sucks then it could be breezy at the coast what with all that air being sucked inland. Or do you think we should expect the usual summer fare of kefoggy,that's kelp and foggy to you highlanders.. --- On Fri, 7/16/10, eisenee@aol.com <eisenee@aol.com> wrote: From: eisenee@aol.com <eisenee@aol.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Pardey Project To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Friday, July 16, 2010, 5:46 PM Sorry , Stan, I juess I'll have to hire a proof reader Eldor -----Original Message----- From: Stan Susman <stanpfa@pacbell.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Fri, Jul 16, 2010 7:01 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Pardey Project Eldor, I thought the Mings only used junk rigs?? tan --- On Fri, 7/16/10, eisenee@aol.com <eisenee@aol.com> wrote: rom: eisenee@aol.com <eisenee@aol.com> ubject: Re: M_Boats: Pardey Project o: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com ate: Friday, July 16, 2010, 4:37 PM Very well said, connie Just 1 thing to think about: airplanes stopped using hrouds to support the mings years ago, so why do we need them ldor 17 Motu iti ----Original Message----- rom: Conbert H. Benneck <chbenneck@sbcglobal.net> o: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> ent: Fri, Jul 16, 2010 9:50 am ubject: Re: M_Boats: Pardey Project oward Audsley wrote: oward, ou are so right! he sea and its moods haven't changed, but designers feel that any chnical tweaking, - spaghetti diameter masts with triple spreaders and ns of rigging to keep things in line - and deep fin keels that sheer t of the bottom of the boat if you hit something solid; ( I've rsonally seen some examples of this at Noank Shipyard, where the ners hit nice solid New England rocks at hull speed) and spade rudders ose upper edge will snag lobster pot warps and firmly wedge them in ace so that you can't steer, any chance they get. he answer is simple: sea-going boats have to be built for that rpose. the danger of a mast failure is not something I want to live th for the sake of an extra 0.2 knot speed advantage. Decks are for rk that has to be done a a boat. 7 degree sheeting angles, and rouds going through the middle of your deck may be excellent for erica's Cup racers who go home every evening after the race; but are usy if they impede your progress to the foredeck. (and if you can't rry a case of beer from the bow to the cockpit without learning how to nce the racing shroud rigging ballet first) egree shroud angles also add tremendous loads to the rigging trying keep the mast in place. Much higher loads on all the fittings and if e fails, its bye-bye mast. draulic backstay adjusters are another engineering idiocy. There is way you can keep the leading edge of your forestay straight; I don't re how many tons of pressure you add to it. All you eventually do is ive the mast through the bottom of the boat. If you don't believe me, ft the lid on a grand piano and push down on one of the high note rings. You can depress it; and it has very high loads (which is why e base for all the strings is a huge cast iron casting to take the credible loads caused by the tensioned strings). he old CCA design rules resulted in healthy, long lived, excellent sea ats. The IOR Rule, which later came into use, results in disposable cing boats; if something breaks; or the mast goes overboard; holler YDAY, and when rescued, order a new and better boat with more gimmicks.... ah! The old designers had it right, which is why Hinckley in Maine is ill building Bermuda 40s to order, designed by Bill Tripp in the mid-60's. esign conservatism gets you home again; modern design, where anything at breaks is a disaster, doesn't. y two cents worth onnie
The topic never came up here, but hits a hot button with me. When you look at the backbone structure of a boat like Serrafyn, you ealize she was built to go to sea. She could take it. I compare that with the recent news where a 16 year old girl was sent ut by loving parents to sail around the world on a 40 foot racing led. Her boat fell apart in the same waters where the Pardeys rode ut a hurricane and came out the other side with nothing more that a lown out sail and confidence the boat would protect them from almost nything. The point being the stupidity of sending out a 16 year old (or anyone lse for that matter) in a technology dependent death trap. Larry had it right.
n Jul 15, 2010, at 1:52 PM, bownez@juno.com wrote:
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