M_Boats: Re: Forestay

5 Jan 2004

      Hi Guys and Gals:
Happy new year. 
Sandra, I read john's remarks in SCA about Steve having his forestay come
loose in the Catalina crossing, Ouch! I also replaced the clevis pin and
cotter pin on the forestay with a fastpin but instead of taping it, I tie it
in place with a shoelace, several half hitches and a bow knot. Same for the
fastpin on the rudder. I replaced all the cotter pins with ring pins but
after that remark, I will tape them all. We live and learn.
Doug, Over the Christmas holidays, I added a Richie "Tactician" surface
mount compass to the hatch cover like you have. I added a small teak board
to the cover to elevate the compass with two screw heads sticking out about
1/4". The compass drops down on the screws and a twist locks it in place
making it easy to remove and install when raising the mast. Works great! I
can see the compass heading from anywhere in the cockpit and the adjustable
bezel allows you to lock in your heading (my short term memory isn't what it
used to be). Running out the Dog river channel into Mobile bay last Saturday
(in shorts and a tee shirt - Isn't winter hell), I hit a fog bank. I locked
the heading in, ran for thirty minutes, did a reverse and hit the channel
dead on (allowing 9 degrees for leeway and current). Of course, A GPS would
be better, but that will come later, after my new Genny.
Fair winds and an early spring to you unfortunate souls living in the upper
reaches of the USA.
Don Ludlow, M15 #620 Sweet Dream

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   1. RE: 12-28 fasteners? (Smith, Tom)
   2. Re: 12-28 fasteners? (Wcpritchett@aol.com)
   3. Re: 12-28 fasteners? (n9ca)
   4. Response to John Edwards  (Seawitch)
   5. RE: 12-28 fasteners? (Smith, Tom)
   6. Gas filling revisited (Doug Kelch)
   7. RE: Gas filling revisited (Bill Riker)
   8. gas can (Richard Cottrell)
   9. Re: gas can (Steve & Diana Parsons)
  10. Re: gas can (Doug Kelch)
  11. Re: Gas filling revisited (Maria Jorge)

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 08:42:09 -0800
From: "Smith, Tom" <Tom.Smith@itron.com>
Subject: RE: M_Boats: 12-28 fasteners?
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Well, I'm know around my house for overdoing it.  I'll go for 12-24, but I'd
also considered Bob's idea of overdrilling to 1/4.  Thanks for all the
feedback.  Have a great New Years eve everyone.  t

Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle
Sandpoint, Idaho
M15-345, Chukar
M17-064, Unnamed

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In a message dated 12/29/2003 3:56:38 PM US Mountain Standard Time, 
Tom.Smith@itron.com writes:
Or am I overdoing it.
Yup; You're overdoing it. Be sure to use "Never Sieze" on the threads to 
prevent corrosion between different metals. Try an Ace hardware to find it.
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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 12:56:56 EST
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Tom,
I'm late on feedback but...you are talking sheer strength with the cleat 
right?  It doesn't take much thread to hold for sheer.  Pull strength is
where you 
would be concerned with the thread.  I think sheer on common 1/4" dia steel 
is around 1500-1800lbs.  

Pull tests I had done by an engineering firm for an insurance company on #12

steel sheet metal SCREWS in 20 gauge (I think it was 20) metal roof decking 
came out between 375-450 lbs per screw.  They were 20 yrs old.

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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:58:44 -0500
From: "n9ca" <n9ca@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: 12-28 fasteners?
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You can find the fasteners you need at:

                       Wicks Aircraft Supply
                        410 Pine Street
                         Highland, IL  62249
                         800-221-9425.

The countersunk screw heads used in aircraft are 100 degrees, which is not
the same angle as those you'd find at an ACE HARDWARE . Wicks is a first
class outfit, and gives first class service.

Clarence Andrews M-17 Carpe Ventum

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Subject: RE: M_Boats: 12-28 fasteners?

Hi guys. I'm mounting larger halyard cleats on our M15's mast and I bought a
4 inch Schaefer jam cleat that uses a #12 fastener.  12-24s are easy to
find.  Now, 12-28s are an entirely different story.  I'd like to use the
fine thread to get a better purchase for the fastener.  Anybody encountered
an outfit that carries this rare size?  Or am I overdoing it.  Will the
12-24 work okay?  Thanks.  t

Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle
Sandpoint, Idaho
M15-345, Chukar
M17-064, Unnamed

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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 04:08:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Seawitch <seawitchlj@yahoo.com>
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John, 
I second Bill Rikers response to your request about what to include in
a book.  I'd also like to say, that I have read everything you write
for SCA, and love your style.  You keep it interesting, and somehow
light with your humour.  In the most recent issue which I just received
you wrote about a trip you took with another Monty owner to Catalina. 
This one was especially interesting in that on my most recent trip out,
my shroud snapped and I did dismast.  But, like Bill said, it is the
little things which are important in your writing, like mentioning that
normally, he did not tape the pin on the forestay.  This is one of
those tidbits which someone who is eager to glean information will
latch on to.  No one told me to tape the pin on the shrouds, but I did
it anyway, just to feel a little more secure that the little pin would
not slip out.  But like your friend, I did not tape the pin on the
forestay.  However, I did change out the original clevis/cotter pin for
a more user friendly quick release push pin.  Now, I will tape it in
when I raise the mast.  I look forward to reading your book.  And a
happy New Year to all on the list.  The shortest day of the year has
past, and now as each day gets longer, we know Spring is coming!

=====
Time for a cool change!
    Sandra(Seawitch #617)

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 08:21:38 -0800
From: "Smith, Tom" <Tom.Smith@itron.com>
Subject: RE: M_Boats: 12-28 fasteners?
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Thanks Clarence.  I'll check these guys out.  I can't believe I've had so
hard a time finding this fastener.  The tap was available locally, but when
it came to the machine screw, I was SOL.  Again, thank you.  t

Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle
Sandpoint, Idaho
M15-345, Chukar
M17-064, Unnamed

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Subject: Re: M_Boats: 12-28 fasteners?

You can find the fasteners you need at:

                       Wicks Aircraft Supply
                        410 Pine Street
                         Highland, IL  62249
                         800-221-9425.

The countersunk screw heads used in aircraft are 100 degrees, which is not
the same angle as those you'd find at an ACE HARDWARE . Wicks is a first
class outfit, and gives first class service.

Clarence Andrews M-17 Carpe Ventum

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Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 5:55 PM
Subject: RE: M_Boats: 12-28 fasteners?

Hi guys. I'm mounting larger halyard cleats on our M15's mast and I bought a
4 inch Schaefer jam cleat that uses a #12 fastener.  12-24s are easy to
find.  Now, 12-28s are an entirely different story.  I'd like to use the
fine thread to get a better purchase for the fastener.  Anybody encountered
an outfit that carries this rare size?  Or am I overdoing it.  Will the
12-24 work okay?  Thanks.  t

Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle
Sandpoint, Idaho
M15-345, Chukar
M17-064, Unnamed

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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 12:16:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Doug Kelch <doug_kelch@yahoo.com>
Subject: M_Boats: Gas filling revisited
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On an earlier posting for filling integral tanks
without spilling - someone had responded about a spill
proof tank that Briggs and Stratton used to offer.

Indeed they still do - my local lawnmower repair shop
looked them up in the B&S parts catalog - they offer a
1 1/4 gal plastic can for about $7 but only in
quantities of 8.

They also offer a 2 1/2 gal in quantities of 3 but I
didn't get the price.

Such a deal!  If anyone wants the other 7 tanks for
the $7 per tank plus shipping let me know and I will
distribute them. 

Or if some one else is willing to buy one locally and
ship it to us - let us know.

Honda 2 hp - At my local Honda dealer I saw a 1 1/4
gal tank which seemed to replace the engine cowling on
the Honda 2hp.  They were apparently designed to let
the  Honda 2hp run all day on the bumper boats the
carnivals. Only a $70 option but.....

Thanks

Doug Kelch
"Seas the Day"

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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 17:36:04 -0500
From: "Bill Riker" <wriker@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: M_Boats: Gas filling revisited
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Doug,

I'm interested,  if you think it might fit in the shallow cockpit locker. 
Bill Riker 
M-15 #184
Storm Petrel

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Subject: M_Boats: Gas filling revisited

On an earlier posting for filling integral tanks
without spilling - someone had responded about a spill
proof tank that Briggs and Stratton used to offer.

Indeed they still do - my local lawnmower repair shop
looked them up in the B&S parts catalog - they offer a
1 1/4 gal plastic can for about $7 but only in
quantities of 8.

They also offer a 2 1/2 gal in quantities of 3 but I
didn't get the price.

Such a deal!  If anyone wants the other 7 tanks for
the $7 per tank plus shipping let me know and I will
distribute them. 

Or if some one else is willing to buy one locally and
ship it to us - let us know.

Honda 2 hp - At my local Honda dealer I saw a 1 1/4
gal tank which seemed to replace the engine cowling on
the Honda 2hp.  They were apparently designed to let
the  Honda 2hp run all day on the bumper boats the
carnivals. Only a $70 option but.....

Thanks

Doug Kelch
"Seas the Day"

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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 16:10:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Richard Cottrell <rc2222@pacbell.net>
Subject: M_Boats: gas can
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Doug:

I'm interested in participating in the purchase of 
one.

Rich Cottrell

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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 17:17:45 -0800
From: "Steve & Diana Parsons" <sparsons@canby.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: gas can
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I noticed a similar can at my local John Deere dealer.  Pricey, but looked
like it would do the job.

Steve

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Doug:
I'm interested in participating in the purchase of
one.
Rich Cottrell
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 17:39:32 -0800 (PST)
From: Doug Kelch <doug_kelch@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: gas can
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The B&S catalog showed a spill resistant 2 1/2 gal
container for $23+ and I thought that was a bit
pricey.  It also has a 2 1/2 gal spill proof which I
didn't price but the 1 1/4 gal spill proof was listed
for $7.

They are going to check the pricing and availability
for me on Monday to confirm.

I did try the 1 quart oil containers but I made more
of mess filling those at home and still overfilled the
tank as it wasn't empty enough :(

The spill proof dispenser is sounding quite attractive
for a mere $7.

Doug
--- Steve & Diana Parsons <sparsons@canby.com> wrote:
...
I noticed a similar can at my local John Deere
dealer.  Pricey, but looked
like it would do the job.
Steve
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Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 4:10 PM
Subject: M_Boats: gas can
...
Doug:
I'm interested in participating in the purchase of
one.
Rich Cottrell
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 09:57:12 -0500
From: "Maria Jorge" <mcjorge@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Gas filling revisited
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Doug:
I am interested.
Maria Jorge
Miami, Florida
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Subject: M_Boats: Gas filling revisited
...
On an earlier posting for filling integral tanks
without spilling - someone had responded about a spill
proof tank that Briggs and Stratton used to offer.
Indeed they still do - my local lawnmower repair shop
looked them up in the B&S parts catalog - they offer a
1 1/4 gal plastic can for about $7 but only in
quantities of 8.
They also offer a 2 1/2 gal in quantities of 3 but I
didn't get the price.
Such a deal!  If anyone wants the other 7 tanks for
the $7 per tank plus shipping let me know and I will
distribute them.
Or if some one else is willing to buy one locally and
ship it to us - let us know.
Honda 2 hp - At my local Honda dealer I saw a 1 1/4
gal tank which seemed to replace the engine cowling on
the Honda 2hp.  They were apparently designed to let
the  Honda 2hp run all day on the bumper boats the
carnivals. Only a $70 option but.....
Thanks
Doug Kelch
"Seas the Day"
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