Rich, Nice to have you aboard!! The M boats are an excellent vessel. I too was looking at the WWP before I discovered the M-15. My biggest reason for choosing the Montgomery over the WWP was stability and construction. If you look closely at the hull design of the WWP you will see a flat bottom boat with steep sides. When heeling over, you can only heel so much before you reach the point of no return and then you end up swimming. With the design of the M boats, the hull is round and can heel over much further. Shortly after I acquired my M-15 I had the chance to prove that point, by accident of course!!! My main sheet became jammed and I was unable to release it when a strong gust of wind hit. I ended up scooping up water over the combing before I was able to release the sheet. Once released, the boat popped right up and the water in the cockpit emptied quickly. Except for my feet, I stayed dry. I would not have stayed dry in a WWP. The M boats are well designed, strong, and well built. Finding a used one is a challenge and here on the east coast it's even more of a challenge. If you are looking to buy new and have the time to invest, you might consider looking into the new Sage 17. This boat is being designed by Jerry Montgomery who worked with Lyle Hess and designed and built the M-15, M-17 and M-23. There are a lot of owners here that are biting at the bit to get a look at this new boat!!! As good as the M-boats are, this boat promises to be better. I don't have all the details, but in a nut shell, you take all the quality of workmanship and design of the M-boats and you tweak it slightly making improvements over the previous design. For example, the ratio of cabin space vs cockpit space. Maybe a little more headroom in the cockpit. Jerry came to the M-boat community for suggestions for improving his previous design. I don't remember any conversations concerning major design changes. Individual owners just made suggestions on little changes that they thought would improve the creature comforts of this fine boat. Of course, everyone wanted a faster boat, and Jerry is known for going fast!!! If you are looking for more details, I'm sure there is someone here who would be willing to talk with you 'off-line' if you are interested. M-boats do become available, you just have to be patient. I was able to find a boat in less than 6 months in KY. I bought it at the end of the sailing season (October) and spent the winter 'playing' with it before I launched it in the spring. My boat was built by Jerry in 1982 and it looks as good today as it did in 1982. If I lived on the west coast I'd invite you to sail. Not to worry though, someone will take you out. This is a very friendly community and everyone is willing to share ideas and give their opinions. There is never a shortage of 'free opinions' around here!! lol. Good luck with you quest and I wish you much success. Skip Campion M-15 #201 1982 Wild Guppy -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Wed, Jul 14, 2010 12:26 am Subject: M_Boats: Considering an M 15 Hello, all! I just joined, but do not own a M 15. I currently sail a Vagabond 14 dinghy. ice little boat, and for a dinghy, pretty stable with her chined hull and wide eam. I have her rigged nicely to single hand, and she is easy to launch and ail. But... My wife just doesn't feel too safe in it when I sail in good wind, such as omales Bay in California. So, I am considering a pocket cruiser, and the M 15 ooks terrific. So, a few questions: 1) Why the M 15 over the WW Potter 15? The M 15 looks much better to me, but otta ask. ) Anybody in Northern California near Santa Rosa willing to show me their boat, r better yet, take me out for a demo? I will supply snacks and premium wine as live in Sonoma County! I would really like to see one of these boats before onsidering buying one. I am a 50 year old ophthalmologist in good shape, and ike to think I would be good company... ) I figure finding a used one will be tough. So, I would consider buying a new ne. Had a few emails with Bob Eeg of NorSea, and he seems very nice and traightforward. Any words of wisdom when dealing with buying a new one? Thanks so much for your help! Daniel Rich ______________________________________________ ttp://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!