Hi Bob and Listers, Concerning the PS Orion model, I also agree she is a wonderful looking craft. Years ago I was visiting a PS dealer here in Minnesota, Alibi, gathering information on the Flicka. I had never seen one and the salesman (a former Flicka owner), was telling me all about her attributes. He also had in house a used Dana which he allowed me to climb aboard and inspect. Beautiful boat but at $60K, used, just a dream for me. He mentioned that the Orion was not a model to consider. He never gave any details. I always wondered why..... I eventually got to the financial point to look for a Flicka, and after looking at two, and being aboard, decided it was too small for me. Although I have not sailed one, I bided my time and waited. My M23 is the fit I was looking for. Pleased in Minnesota. Bones ________________________________________________________________ Juno Platinum $9.95. Juno SpeedBand $14.95. Sign up for Juno Today at http://www.juno.com! Look for special offers at Best Buy stores.