I've wondered the same thing about the M17 . . . The answers to my queries might be in the M-List Archives . . . During the 2001 season, I had limited success using a 50 lbs thrust Minn Kota trolling motor . . . I preferred to use the Minn Kota because I had a very recalcitrant Suzuki 2-stroke . . . This season, I had a new Nissan (Tohatsu) 4-stroke . . . My Nissan has performed so beautifully, I haven't used by Minn Kota . . . However, one of next spring's projects is to figure out how to mount the Minn Kota in addition to the Nissan, so I'll have an emergency back-up . . . My Nissan has an alternator, so I'll keep the batteries (I think I'll add a second deep-cycle) charged when I run the Iron Judas . . . Wish I had the skill to sail motorless . . . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rusty Knorr" <mazemusic@yahoo.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 4:52 AM Subject: Just toss it overboard! Thanks, Doug. I am curious to hear how the sculling works. So...NO ONE has rowed an M-15? -Rusty --- Doug Kelch <doug_kelch@yahoo.com> wrote: Rusty, I took a 7 1/2 foot pair of aluminum oars with plastic blades and cut them up to make an 11 foot take apart sculling oar. I have an oar lock I can clamp on to the transom until if figure out if I want to mount it permanently. Unfortunately I can't figure out how to scull. Howard A. gave me a good demo in June but I haven't tried it since then. Unfortunately my jointing mechanism is a 2 foot section of round oak from an old stair hand rail. It fit very snugly. In fact when it got moist it wouldn't come out of both sections. It still works and fits inside the cabin but is a bit awkward. If I could figure out a temporary side mount I would try using it as a single sweep oar this week end and let you know how it works. Hmmm - maybe a thole pin clamped to the edge of the hatch???? Doug "Seas the Day" --- Rusty Knorr <mazemusic@yahoo.com> wrote: Hello, all. I am surprised not to have more response on the auxiliary power question. I am sure there must be someone who has forgone the evil outboard in favor of a more reliable option. I am not interested in sculling simply because of oar accessibility and storage. What about rowing with conventional oars though? Has anyone done it with a M-15? How about an electric trolling motor? Or does anyone have a source for a take-apart sculling oar? I don't have a shop to build one myself... -Rusty ===== "In a power boat you may get there faster, but in a sailboat you are already there."