Following this thread with massive interest! I did the Salish 100 singlehanded on my M-15 and a couple of things about the boat were REALLY challenging. Keep in mind I’m also coming from living on a Flicka for many years, so the Monty is a huge compromise from what I’m used to! 1. Sitting headroom! After a week of hunching over in the cabin I was SO tired of bumping my head, kinking my neck and back, and having no place to comfortably relax inside. 2. Toilet time. Granted, the Monty has a place for a Portapotty, but I use wagbags and I could NOT find a comfortable position to sit and use the head with the Fold-To-Go portable toilet I brought. Maybe I can retool this system, but so far it’s not working. What specific Portapotty fits in an M-15? The one I have is too big at the base, and I don’t think I would want to use one anyway, wagbags are great in my opinion. I can see my wife joining me if we are in a marina, but I don’t think proper cruising would work with both of us on an M-15 anchored out. She is not obsessed with sailing, and I love singlehanding, so not a huge deal, but it’s something to consider. I’ve been considering moving to a Scamp, but still debating if that’s a good idea or not. With a boom tent possibly more room than the cabin of an M-15? Beachable for those times you want to bring your wife and camp ashore? Or use filler boards for a huge double berth! Easier to tow, small enough to put in my garage, and part of an instant community, the Scamp is compelling! I’ll keep the Monty for now and deal with it’s compromises, but if a fiberglass Scamp comes up for sale for a great deal I may make the jump and sell my M-15. Thoughts? Rusty Knorr on “Vanilla” www.rustyknorr.weebly.com
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Today's Topics:
1. Disastrous trip (Peter Zimowsky) 2. Re: Disastrous trip (John Schinnerer) 3. Re: Disastrous trip (Dave Scobie) 4. Re: Disastrous trip Thanks for info (Peter Zimowsky) 5. Re: Disastrous trip Thanks for info (Thomas Buzzi)
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Message: 1 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 10:10:40 -0600 From: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz@mac.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Disastrous trip Message-ID: <6C0BB6C2-620F-4CE6-B8D7-1AA1E23538D1@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Hi: we sailed the San Juans last week. My wife wanted to try camping on the boat (M15). Didn?t work out. She doesn?t like how small it is. I love the M15 and it works out for solo boaters. Should I go to a M17 or is it just as cramped? Problem is, my M15 is in excellent shape and trading up to a M17 could be bad because I?ve read so many stories on this thread about older boats and all the problems. I don?t want to give up a good boat for one with problems. What do you have to watch out for when looking at another boat?
Pete Winter Sky (Zimowsky)
outdoors writer and photographer www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors
"Be with Tahlequah" Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family.
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Message: 2 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 10:07:09 -0700 From: John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Disastrous trip Message-ID: <9d8cdbc2-3510-f50a-d07a-5841e55cb466@eco-living.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
Having an M17 and having been on two different M15s, I will say the M17 is quite a bit roomier. The cockpit, the cabin, the foredeck...amazing how much more volume two feet of length and more beam provides.
And, 'roomier' is relative - it's still a 'pocket' cruiser.
I would say a first step would be to visit an M17 somewhere in person and feel the difference - your wife as well as you.
The main concern with older M17s in particular is swelling in the keel, locking the CB from moving down and up. From the steel punchings used as ballast in early years. They can rust enough to swell enough to do that, if water has gotten into the keel. I don't recall when it switched to lead, someone here probably does.
Other than that, just the usual stuff on an older boat, not specific to an M17. Rigging, hardware, wear and tear, etc.
cheers, John
On 8/10/19 9:10 AM, Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats wrote: Hi: we sailed the San Juans last week. My wife wanted to try camping on the boat (M15). Didn?t work out. She doesn?t like how small it is. I love the M15 and it works out for solo boaters. Should I go to a M17 or is it just as cramped? Problem is, my M15 is in excellent shape and trading up to a M17 could be bad because I?ve read so many stories on this thread about older boats and all the problems. I don?t want to give up a good boat for one with problems. What do you have to watch out for when looking at another boat?
Pete Winter Sky (Zimowsky)
outdoors writer and photographer www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors
"Be with Tahlequah" Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
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Message: 3 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 10:19:45 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz@mac.com>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Disastrous trip Message-ID: <CAGjBOA5dYkOE8--3_bS6OEV3iDc38SLSG5hCis4GPFfJj6i7Wg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Peter:
First questions for you - what was 'to small'? The berth (M15's is larger), no place to sit upright? No private head? No full galley? These are things that an M17 barely will give you nare no better than on the M15.
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/
On Sat, Aug 10, 2019, 9:11 AM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Hi: we sailed the San Juans last week. My wife wanted to try camping on the boat (M15). Didn?t work out. She doesn?t like how small it is. I love the M15 and it works out for solo boaters. Should I go to a M17 or is it just as cramped? Problem is, my M15 is in excellent shape and trading up to a M17 could be bad because I?ve read so many stories on this thread about older boats and all the problems. I don?t want to give up a good boat for one with problems. What do you have to watch out for when looking at another boat?
Pete Winter Sky (Zimowsky)
outdoors writer and photographer www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors
"Be with Tahlequah" Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family.
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Message: 4 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 11:33:09 -0600 From: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz@mac.com> To: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> Cc: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Disastrous trip Thanks for info Message-ID: <D0BA448E-56AB-41C2-806C-24480DB985F6@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
hi: Thanks for info. Maybe a pocket cruiser isn?t for me. Heaven forbid, but do I need a Catalina 22 or something that big? Ugh?
Pete Winter Sky (Zimowsky)
outdoors writer and photographer www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors
"Be with Tahlequah" Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family.
On Aug 10, 2019, at 11:19 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Peter:
First questions for you - what was 'to small'? The berth (M15's is larger), no place to sit upright? No private head? No full galley? These are things that an M17 barely will give you nare no better than on the M15.
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com <http://sv-swallow.com/> :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com <http://m17-375.com/> :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ <http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/>
On Sat, Aug 10, 2019, 9:11 AM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <mailto:montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> wrote: Hi: we sailed the San Juans last week. My wife wanted to try camping on the boat (M15). Didn?t work out. She doesn?t like how small it is. I love the M15 and it works out for solo boaters. Should I go to a M17 or is it just as cramped? Problem is, my M15 is in excellent shape and trading up to a M17 could be bad because I?ve read so many stories on this thread about older boats and all the problems. I don?t want to give up a good boat for one with problems. What do you have to watch out for when looking at another boat?
Pete Winter Sky (Zimowsky)
outdoors writer and photographer www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/ <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/>> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors
"Be with Tahlequah" Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family.
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Message: 5 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 12:53:37 -0500 From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> To: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz@mac.com>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Disastrous trip Thanks for info Message-ID: <CA+TbpAWXObHDHAm68gvQbio2K_UBPncuP4TDOGi3H9SkTm2LoA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Peter, I had a Flicka 20. It was a GREAT boat for single or double occupancy. Seaworthy as they come, toilet, stove, lots of storage, HEADROOM and I am 6' tall!. Wait for it......it weighs 6000 pounds. You would probably need a semi rig to haul it up a boat ramp if you could find one steep enough. Every boat is a compromise. I sold the Flicka (very sad day!!) because I wanted to explore "foreign waters" inland. Presently own a 17 and yes, it is not for most women although I once had a partner who was tougher than I was and we loved the boat----together. NOW is the time to take your time and research, research, research. Include your wife in all of that, if she intends to be with you in your nautical adventures. No matter how much fun they may be they will never be fun if your mate is not smiling. Wait for it, again, you are headed for one of the two happiest days in a boat owner's life, the day he finds his "dreamboat". The other day depends on how well you research before the first day. Good luck and fair winds, Tom, Monty 17, 1977, #258, AS-IS
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On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 12:33 PM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
hi: Thanks for info. Maybe a pocket cruiser isn?t for me. Heaven forbid, but do I need a Catalina 22 or something that big? Ugh?
Pete Winter Sky (Zimowsky)
outdoors writer and photographer www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors
"Be with Tahlequah" Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family.
On Aug 10, 2019, at 11:19 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Peter:
First questions for you - what was 'to small'? The berth (M15's is larger), no place to sit upright? No private head? No full galley? These are things that an M17 barely will give you nare no better than on the M15.
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com <http://sv-swallow.com/> :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com <http://m17-375.com/> :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ < http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/>
On Sat, Aug 10, 2019, 9:11 AM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <mailto: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> wrote: Hi: we sailed the San Juans last week. My wife wanted to try camping on the boat (M15). Didn?t work out. She doesn?t like how small it is. I love the M15 and it works out for solo boaters. Should I go to a M17 or is it just as cramped? Problem is, my M15 is in excellent shape and trading up to a M17 could be bad because I?ve read so many stories on this thread about older boats and all the problems. I don?t want to give up a good boat for one with problems. What do you have to watch out for when looking at another boat?
Pete Winter Sky (Zimowsky)
outdoors writer and photographer www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> < http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/ <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/
Twitter: @zimosoutdoors
"Be with Tahlequah" Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family.
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