Bill, Does an asymmetric require a pole? The largest sail I have ever flown relative to the size of the boat was a jenniker, a lightweight nylon jib of about 180% foretriangle. I guess I like the idea of at least two points of the triangle attached to something immoveable. Thanks for the info. Tom B On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> wrote:
Tom,
It cannot happen all at once.
"Spin tack line and gear". The asymmetric spinnaker has an adjustable tack line, with a snap shackle to attach to the sail's tack. Line leads through a bullseye fair lead on the pulpit down to a turning block on the bow fitting. Aft to another fair lead on stbd handrail and to a cam cleat at the bulkhead.
Bill
On May 6, 2014, at 12:29 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Bill, What are "spin tack and lines"? Nice list. Can't let my wife see that. She will freak at the cost of getting ours in the water. Tom B
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> wrote:
We weighed the combined rig of '09 Ranger and M17 on a Pacific trailer. Outboard and inflatable dinghy were in the truck. All loaded for a 2 week cruise, except for 5 gal of water.
Combined truck trailer weight was 7780 lbs. Boat and trailer only on the scale 3160 lbs Trailer hitched to the truck, and truck off the scale pad 2800 lbs.
That last measurement gives the tongue weight of 360 lbs, or about 11.5 % of the towed weight.
I was surprised at the boat/trailer weight until I thought about the trailer weight. The Pacific is a beefy trailer. Their on line brochure shows weight of a G17SN3 at 725lbs. Add another 50 lbs for the tongue extension and 50 lbs for the spare carrier and spare. Extended winch post and extra brace that I added is another 50 lbs of steel. (PO had bent the small original brace) So 875 lbs in my case.
I can't believe we carry over 600 lbs on board.
3160 less trailer of 875 = 2285 less published boat weight of 1600(?) = 685lbs
I think the build weight is could be 200 lbs more. Boat is a 2003. That still leaves 485lbs of gear.
Here is a question. Does the calculated displacement/weight of the boat include mast, boom, sails rigging? Maybe JM or Bob can chime in on this.
Was running down where the additional weight comes in from bow to stern. Just think about it.
Bow pulpit Stainless bow line chocks Upgraded 8" bow cleats Masthead VHF antenna and cable 9 added turning blocks, cleats or pad eyes on the boom Added stainless rings to mast step for 4 turning blocks 2 double sheave deck organizers and 4 cam cleats on deck house Whisker pole and boat hook on deck house 2 anchors and chain. 10' feet on each Spare hardware box Tool box, or 2. Down to 1 now Tiller pilot Fire extinguisher Flare kit Fixed VHF Handheld vhf HandheldGPS Spare batteries for handhelds Galley dish box Single burner stove and 2 quarts of alcohol 5 gallons of gas in 2 cans Quart of oil Group 24 battery 2 stage battery charger DC and AC panels 30' shore power cord 3 x 100' lines 2 x 50' lines Dock lines 2 x Inflatable life jackets and spare cylinders Binoculars Boat cleaning gear Main, genoa, working jib, storm jib, ass'y spinnaker Spin tack line and fittings Jib downhaul and fittings Added stainless latches on 2 cockpit lockers Traveller Additional tackle/lines for back stay adjuster and topping lift Stern swim ladder Adj OB mount SS Fish pole mount for trolling Plastic folding cockpit table Inflatable cockpit cushions Cockpit canopy Companionway and forward hatch mosquito nets (weighted hems)
Ugh!!! Make it stop! On second thought, no, it is all what we like to have aboard for safe sailing enjoyment while day sailing and independent cruising. Bring it on. Love sailing this boat.
Now, about the menu and personal gear for 2 weeks :)
Bill Wickett Makin' Time M17 #622
Cambridge, ON
We did and were surprised.
Boat was loaded for a 2 week cruise. 5 gallons of gas, 24 cans of beer, 8 wine cartons, food for 2 people. All normal sailing gear, which for includes a 15lb claw, with 10 feet of chain, and a lighter Fortress, with same amount of chain. Lots of spare lines for tying into the coves of the North Channel. Two tool boxes, a spares box more than enough extra screws, bolts, nuts, blocks, shackles. Water not loaded and outboard in the back of the truck.
Bill
On May 5, 2014, at 10:42 AM, Alec McCandless < alecmccandless@gmail.com> wrote:
Does anyone have a total weight, including trailer, sails, etc. for towing consideration for the M17? Anyone tow with a class one hitch? Class II? -Alec