Haa, I couldn't agree more...have my dad help me fix it. I don't know if I can wait that long but I'm sure I'll have to since I somehow didn't learn much about glassing in all those years I spent as a child rolling around in all of it. I do believe it is an Ezyloader trailer (I'll check when I get home) and like you said, I don't think the keel is supported. As far as being a delamination, would you guess that I'd have to cut our the "bad spot" and then build a patch? Or might it be possible to reinforce from the inside with out cutting...I hate putting holes in boats even above the waterline. I'll give my dad "hi" from ya. Jared On 4/23/09 5:15 PM, "montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com" <montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
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Message: 1 Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 08:28:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Bonnie Kostka <bonniekostka@sbcglobal.net> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: knot in center board line Message-ID: <104830.69161.qm@web82401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
When I first got my M15 there was no knot in my line.? Connie came out one day to sail with me & quickly changed that & put a knot in the line.? Even a beginner like myself could tell the difference in how she sailed.? Once again thanks Connie. ? Bonnie M15, Moonbeam
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Message: 1 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:58:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Delin <fernandelin@sbcglobal.net> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Montgomery 15 Centerboard position Message-ID: <442184.40821.qm@web82601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Hi All, ? How far down is the M-15 centerboard supposed to go?? The previous owner of our M-15 tied a knot in the centerboard line which prevents it from going down all the way I think.? Right now, the board goes down far enough so that the trailing edge of the board is still within the keel trunk.? Is is supposed to go down further?? I suspect so, since I don't know how else to get access to the line.? Is there any reason that someone might not want the centerboard to go down all the way?? The boat seems to sail great as is! ? Thanks for any assistance! ? Mark M-15 Seabright San Diego
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Message: 2 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 22:23:39 -0700 From: Steve and Diana Parsons <sparsons@canby.com> To: fernandelin@sbcglobal.net, For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Montgomery 15 Centerboard position Message-ID: <C01CC2BE-3C46-48F7-A6DC-502A5F0843E1@canby.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
Mark,
The knot is the limit for the centerboard. That keeps the board from over extending and hitting against the trunk. Don't untie it. If you search the archives, you will find several threads on the topic. I don't remember the measurement, but it seems like it was about 13 inches of travel from all the way up, to the knot.
Hope this helps.
Steve
On Apr 21, 2009, at 9:58 PM, Mark Delin wrote:
Hi All,
How far down is the M-15 centerboard supposed to go? The previous owner of our M-15 tied a knot in the centerboard line which prevents it from going down all the way I think. Right now, the board goes down far enough so that the trailing edge of the board is still within the keel trunk. Is is supposed to go down further? I suspect so, since I don't know how else to get access to the line. Is there any reason that someone might not want the centerboard to go down all the way? The boat seems to sail great as is!
Thanks for any assistance!
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Message: 3 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 06:49:56 -0700 From: "Jeff Packer" <cjpacker@theofficenet.com> To: <fernandelin@sbcglobal.net>, "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Montgomery 15 Centerboard position Message-ID: <000a01c9c351$397201f0$4606d5d1@jeffandchris> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original
I believe the trailing edge of the board should extend into the keel trunk a bit. It should not come out of the keel trunk.
Jeff
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Hi All,
How far down is the M-15 centerboard supposed to go? The previous owner of our M-15 tied a knot in the centerboard line which prevents it from going down all the way I think. Right now, the board goes down far enough so that the trailing edge of the board is still within the keel trunk. Is is supposed to go down further? I suspect so, since I don't know how else to get access to the line. Is there any reason that someone might not want the centerboard to go down all the way? The boat seems to sail great as is!
Thanks for any assistance!
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Message: 4 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 07:01:41 -0700 From: "jerry" <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Montgomery 15 Centerboard position Message-ID: <D0D1EB116BEE41F7B57ED925A3629764@DDJ69SD1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response
The important thing is that the board doesn't bear on the forward end of the slot. The knot is SUPPOSED to be there!
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I believe the trailing edge of the board should extend into the keel trunk a bit. It should not come out of the keel trunk.
Jeff
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Hi All,
How far down is the M-15 centerboard supposed to go? The previous owner of
our M-15 tied a knot in the centerboard line which prevents it from going down all the way I think. Right now, the board goes down far enough so that the trailing edge of the board is still within the keel trunk. Is is supposed to go down further? I suspect so, since I don't know how else to get access to the line. Is there any reason that someone might not want the centerboard to go down all the way? The boat seems to sail great as is!
Thanks for any assistance!
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Message: 5 Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 08:19:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Bonnie Kostka <bonniekostka@sbcglobal.net> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Furlers Message-ID: <485122.56113.qm@web82402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
I have been given a Harken Furler for my M15 and was told my sail would have to be cut down and a wire run through it.? Also the small boat Harken Furler doesn't go on your headstay but either behind or infront of it.? Does anyone have any experience with this? I would appreciate your input. ? Bonnie M15, Moonbeam
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1. too little time (dik lang) 2. PP finaleee... (Lou) 3. Re: too little time (Gary M Hyde) 4. Re: too little time (bownez@juno.com) 5. Re: PP finaleee... (John Ledger) 6. Re: PP finaleee... (W David Scobie) 7. Re: PP finaleee... (John Ledger)
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Message: 1 Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:55:57 -0700 From: dik lang <diklang32@hotmail.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: too little time Message-ID: <COL116-W28143412A5253562053710AC760@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
It has come to that point in my life that I must give up some of my activities. Sorry that Montgomery 17 is on the list. Thought I would announce it here first because we all know how tongues wag when we see a Monty listed on craigslist!
My 1983 M-17 Sweet Pea is now officially for sale. I probably won't actually get around to listing it for a couple days.
Asking $5000, 4stroke 4 horse Suzuki with maybe 15 hrs on it, rusty trailer with new tires galvanized wheels, new springs, new standing rigging, two anchors, new bulkhead mount compass. Out of the water at my house on Vashon Island, Wa.
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Message: 2 Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:28:19 -0400 From: "Lou" <capnlou@ec.rr.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: PP finaleee... Message-ID: <1EF966C3BB2645ADBACD0CD609066CB1@PHOTOPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
I hate to have made such a Boo Hoo about a bunch of P__ P___ and if it were just for me my good old bucket would surley do. I do appreciate everyones comments and now I feel good about buying the Tetford 135 unit. My thanks to all and especially Jerry for filling me in on the history of the PP... Lou Aliotta
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Message: 3 Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:50:40 -0700 From: Gary M Hyde <gmhyde1@mac.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: too little time Message-ID: <28FA5FCE-B3FE-45C9-BC76-1A1CC0C019C6@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes
Dik: Sorry you won't be sailing with us. We will miss you.
--Gary Hyde 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2'
On Apr 20, 2009, at 3:55 PM, dik lang wrote:
It has come to that point in my life that I must give up some of my activities. Sorry that Montgomery 17 is on the list. Thought I would announce it here first because we all know how tongues wag when we see a Monty listed on craigslist!
My 1983 M-17 Sweet Pea is now officially for sale. I probably won't actually get around to listing it for a couple days.
Asking $5000, 4stroke 4 horse Suzuki with maybe 15 hrs on it, rusty trailer with new tires galvanized wheels, new springs, new standing rigging, two anchors, new bulkhead mount compass. Out of the water at my house on Vashon Island, Wa.
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Message: 4 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 03:10:46 GMT From: "bownez@juno.com" <bownez@juno.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: too little time Message-ID: <20090420.221046.4835.0@webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Dik,
Say it isn't so! Someone is going to get a very fine M17.
Wishing you the best.
Bones
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Message: 5 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:46:45 -0700 From: "John Ledger" <johnledger@aoi.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: PP finaleee... Message-ID: <450F19D17C66E44E91CB8AB11B7BE39302050B87@aoint2.aoi.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Does anyone know if this method works for a M15? ( the PP modification, not the bucket)
JOHN In Oregon -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Lou Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 5:28 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: PP finaleee...
I hate to have made such a Boo Hoo about a bunch of P__ P___ and if it were just for me my good old bucket would surley do. I do appreciate everyones comments and now I feel good about buying the Tetford 135 unit. My thanks to all and especially Jerry for filling me in on the history of the PP... Lou Aliotta _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
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Message: 6 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:26:08 -0700 (PDT) From: W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: PP finaleee... Message-ID: <279306.76058.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
john: ? the discussion has been about the M15. ? a quote below from jerryM ? ? dave scobie M15 #288 - SCRED visit Scred's www-site: http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-sced ? ? quoting jerryM- ? jerry@jerrymontgomery.org ? I think this is all documented in the archives.? I originally tooled the 15 for an exact fit for the PP35.? vA few years later Thetford dropped the 35, replacing it with the 135. I bought all the 35's that I could find in the pipeline, and when they ran out I retooled the mold to fit the 135.
I have fit 135's to the 35 bases using a hair dryer, and others have done it using hot water.? In both cases patience and a beer in hand are helpful.
jerry
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Does anyone know if this method works for a M15? ( the PP modification, not the bucket)
JOHN In Oregon -----Original Message-----
I hate to have made such a Boo Hoo about a bunch of P__ P___ and if it were just for me my good old bucket would surley do.? I do appreciate everyones comments and now I feel good about buying the Tetford 135 unit.? My thanks to all and especially Jerry for filling me in on the history of the PP...? Lou Aliotta
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Message: 7 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:43:43 -0700 From: "John Ledger" <johnledger@aoi.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: PP finaleee... Message-ID: <450F19D17C66E44E91CB8AB11B7BE393013EE7C0@aoint2.aoi.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Thanks, Should have caught it.
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From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com on behalf of W David Scobie Sent: Tue 4/21/2009 6:26 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: PP finaleee...
john:
the discussion has been about the M15.
a quote below from jerryM
dave scobie M15 #288 - SCRED visit Scred's www-site: http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-sced
quoting jerryM-
jerry@jerrymontgomery.org
I think this is all documented in the archives. I originally tooled the 15 for an exact fit for the PP35. vA few years later Thetford dropped the 35, replacing it with the 135. I bought all the 35's that I could find in the pipeline, and when they ran out I retooled the mold to fit the 135.
I have fit 135's to the 35 bases using a hair dryer, and others have done it using hot water. In both cases patience and a beer in hand are helpful.
jerry
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Does anyone know if this method works for a M15? ( the PP modification, not the bucket)
JOHN In Oregon -----Original Message-----
I hate to have made such a Boo Hoo about a bunch of P__ P___ and if it were just for me my good old bucket would surley do. I do appreciate everyones comments and now I feel good about buying the Tetford 135 unit. My thanks to all and especially Jerry for filling me in on the history of the PP... Lou Aliotta
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Message: 2 Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:16:14 -0700 From: Jared Prindle <jared@tonyhawk.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: M15 Hull Flexing Problem Message-ID: <C61636BE.16661%jared@tonyhawk.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
I'm just putting out there a problem my #290 M15 has although I don't have all the details right now.
I have a trailer with rollers on it and right under the front roller on the starboard side the hull is bending around the roller. I would say the deflection is about 1/2 to 3/4 at the center and covers about a 8" diameter. Amazingly a lapstrake is in this indentation.
Because of this indent, there is very little pressure on the hull at the point of contact. There is not any noticeable cracks other then the finest tiny lines in the gelcoat. I haven't inspected this from inside the cabin and am not sure if there's access.
I assume that the boat was sitting on the trailer for a long period, maybe in hot weather and sorta "sagged" over this roller. I'm thinking that if the boat was taken off this point of contact, either in the water or if I modify the trailer the indentation would probably come back out at least partially but I think that this will always be a soft spot. In fact it's pretty easy to bend the hull all around this area with my fingers with only a couple pounds of pressure...even on the lapstrake which is normally a very stiff spot.
Solutions? I will probably start by modifying the trailer and putting in a 12" bunk instead of the wheel to spread the load. I'd like to then strengthen the location once I get the hull back to normal shape. Hopefully I could do something from the inside...Any info would be great. I'll keep everyone posted as how it goes...I
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Message: 3 Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:15:04 -0700 From: "jerry" <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Hull Flexing Problem Message-ID: <88162F28ED6B4014A3ADC82D3492FDA6@DDJ69SD1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original
Sounds like it might be a delamination to me. Is this an Ezyloader trailer? If so, the keel might not be supported at all, which needs to be corrected.
Sounds to me that the best way to handle this is to have your old man do it! He needs a project. Say hi for me.
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jared Prindle" <jared@tonyhawk.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 3:16 PM Subject: M_Boats: M15 Hull Flexing Problem
I'm just putting out there a problem my #290 M15 has although I don't have all the details right now.
I have a trailer with rollers on it and right under the front roller on the starboard side the hull is bending around the roller. I would say the deflection is about 1/2 to 3/4 at the center and covers about a 8" diameter. Amazingly a lapstrake is in this indentation.
Because of this indent, there is very little pressure on the hull at the point of contact. There is not any noticeable cracks other then the finest tiny lines in the gelcoat. I haven't inspected this from inside the cabin and am not sure if there's access.
I assume that the boat was sitting on the trailer for a long period, maybe in hot weather and sorta "sagged" over this roller. I'm thinking that if the boat was taken off this point of contact, either in the water or if I modify the trailer the indentation would probably come back out at least partially but I think that this will always be a soft spot. In fact it's pretty easy to bend the hull all around this area with my fingers with only a couple pounds of pressure...even on the lapstrake which is normally a very stiff spot.
Solutions? I will probably start by modifying the trailer and putting in a 12" bunk instead of the wheel to spread the load. I'd like to then strengthen the location once I get the hull back to normal shape. Hopefully I could do something from the inside...Any info would be great. I'll keep everyone posted as how it goes...I
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