Hmmm, maybe you needed a new clutch on the Subaru...? Even with an overbuilt trailer and full of gear, an M15 should be well shy of even the early 2.5L Forester 2000 lb towing limit. And the AWD often makes for better ramp experiences than 2WD, especially on steeper ramps. I will have some real world reports later this month on 2001 Outback 2.5L 5-speed abilities. Will be pulling an E20 out (slightly heavier boat than M17, not sure how trailer compares), and possibly towing an M17. Not a super steep ramp though. And have new good quality clutch, overload rear springs, slightly better than stock brakes. cheers, John S. On 08/25/2015 06:23 PM, stevetrapp wrote:
Standard transmissions in both cars, the Subaru and Ranger. Seemed to feel as well as smell the Subaru clutch slipping when I was outhauling my M-15 on relatively steep ramps. Have not had that problem with my Ford Ranger. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: <casioqv@usermail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 5:42 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: sorry to bring it up again Towing
Does it have a manual transmission?
When I had my Catalina 22 I towed with with two very similar 80s Volvo 7 series cars, one an automatic, and the other a manual. I couldn't get it up the steepest ramps at all with the manual car, but with the automatic it was effortless... it climbed up nearly at idle. I think the automatic torque converter really helped- I would guess it generated at least 10 times the force from a standstill as the manual did. In my opinion a manual transmission is great for towing a boat, but only on cars with a low range 4WD, otherwise they can hardly generate any force from a standstill.
Sincerely, Tyler Davis, CA M15 #157 Defiant
----- Original Message ----- From: "stevetrapp" <stevetrapp@q.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 5:30:49 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: sorry to bring it up again Towing
My Subaru Forester did not seem to have enough muscle to get my M-15 up the launch ramp when I did outhaul. This happened at ramps on Lake Couer D' Alene in Idaho, and again at a ramp on South Puget Sound. Now I use my aging, but reliable Ford Ranger V-6. Steve M-15 # 335
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