Thanks Jerry. Bob says there’s no wood down there. He also pointed out that the dent looks like the face of a hammer, which I think is right on, but I have no idea who would’ve banged on it. What I did as a troubleshooting measure is to Put a few layers of duct tape over the crack Just to see if that solved the apparent problem. Tomorrow I will find out if the boat is now dry and also if shutting out that egress forces water into some other place. I suppose if somebody did bang on it with a hammer that could’ve cracked the liner but it must have also cracked the upper edge of the center board envelope to allow water in. That boat was so pristine and so well cared for and so beautiful that it’s really hard for me to imagine what could’ve happened to it. And I watched it get hauled both times and nobody dropped it. Well, it seems like it has everybody baffled… Mary
On Apr 2, 2022, at 2:20 PM, jerry montgomery <jmbn1@outlook.com> wrote:
I definately agree with Hen ry- "I would not seal up your floor until I was certain that it was dry". And, as I stated before, find and fix the place where the water is getting in first.
If it was one of my boats, there would not be any wood down there. Can't say about Eeg's work.
________________________________ From: Henry Rodriguez <heinzir@gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2022 11:58 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Water Leaking in Bilge
FWIW my boat also had a small crack in the cabin floor pan right at the junction of the V-berth bulkhead from which water would seep. Turned out this was rain water/bilge water that had accumulated in the small gap between the cabin floor (liner) and the actual hull. My fix was to put a 3" inspection port in the floor centered forward right at the V-berth bulkhead. This allowed me to sponge out the remaining water and let it thoroughly dry.
I would not seal up your floor until I was certain that it was dry
Henry Monita
On Sat, Apr 2, 2022, 1:45 PM Mary Campbell <sailmaryc@gmail.com> wrote:
The guy who actually did the work on the bottom paint stopped by the marina today and he told us that after they replaced the pin, They covered it with three layers of glass cloth and resin so it’s hard to imagine water coming in that way. What it would be really helpful to have is a drawing that shows a cross-section of the entire keel/trunk/bilge from a fore and aft direction, As well as athwartship. I’m particularly interested in knowing where there might be wood. Given the way the pin was replaced, it’s really hard to Fathom where the water might be getting in and how it is getting past the ballast and the resin. I did Jerry’s tap test and everything sounds like it should. My plan at this point is to plug the crack with boat life right now Just to confirm that that is the problem. If it stops the water accumulation, then I will know what the problem is. It can be removed when I haul to fix. My fiberglass guy will be back in 10 days and I will have him take a look at it and come up with a plan at that point. If I can continue to use the boat until he is ready to fix it, that would be a bonus.
So Jerry, any construction-drawings that you might have that would help my fiberglass guy and myself trace the water path, that would be great. And hopefully we can also get them from Barb since he built this actual boat. And thanks Jim for all the help Mary
On Apr 2, 2022, at 11:13 AM, Jim Ellsworth <jellsworth603@gmail.com> wrote: Hey Jerry,
I am the prior owner. I met you and you saw the boat in Havasu one year, it has a green hull if you remember. The boat has been in SoCal it's entire life until Mary purchased her in November last year. She is in WA. The boat has never had bottom paint but for her use she had a barrier coat and bottom paint applied which included removing the centerboard and painting that as well. I purchased the boat in 2008. did 3 weeks in the San Juans in 2009, several trips to Catalina and tons of sailing from San Diego to Ventura and have never experienced any leakes. She has been on the hard for around 7 years and last year was trailered to Pacific for some trailer upgrades then down to my house in Temecula where she has been for a year. Because of my many years of use I am sure any manufacturing issues would have come up during my ownership so I am thinking something was damaged either at Pacific or at Mary's yard. I don't think we will ever know exactly what happened. So from what you are saying she needs to pull the boat, put water inside the cabin and hopefully see where it exits on the outside correct? This would have been a lot easier to find without the new bottom paint applied. Thanks for your input, Mary, myself and others seeing our postings are at a loss for what really happened. Jim
On Sat, Apr 2, 2022 at 8:09 AM jerry montgomery <jmbn1@outlook.com> wrote:
Mary- Could you send me a photo of the depression please? I'm curious. I'm at jmbn1@outlook.com.
Thanks.
Jerry
________________________________ From: mariellec--- via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2022 7:33 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Cc: mariellec@yahoo.com <mariellec@yahoo.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Water Leaking in Bilge
Well, I posted about this last night but I don't see my post showing up, so I will try again. I found the leak that Jim described (I bought his boat). About one inch aft of the bulkhead that supports the aft end of the v-berth, on the cabin sole, right in the center, is a small round depression in the fiberglass about the size of a quarter. From looking at the boat drawings, it looks like it is right above the pivot pin. There is a crack about 1" long across that small round area and I can watch water weeping slowly out of that crack. If I could figure out a way to post a photo, I would do that but there does not seem to be a photo option here - I can email one to anyone who asks. I have posted on the facebook page as well. The cabin sole was covered by a small carpet when I bought the boat and put it in the yard for the bottom paint job, so I don't know if the crack was there before the bottom job. Can I fix this in the water with something like marine tex? If I haul it on the trailer, can I fix it from above with real epoxy? Or do I need to get under the boat and fix it from the inside of the centerboard trunk? And, what could hav caused this? I am not sure of the purpose or cause of that little round depression in the glass.