The previous post asked why the winches are canted out, but no one answered that question. Someone commented on my winches recently and they wanted to know why they canned out. Is this different from other boats? I raise my headsails on a 1 ft pendant so I can see what's in front of me. To get the right sheeting angle, I need to move my fairlead blocks even farther aft. They can get set up wrong but usually work OK. My boat also has the perforated toe rail and I would not want a boat without it. I can attach anything, anywhere along the sheer. Awnings, preventer, fenders, dock lines, tiller clutch and fairlead blocks , can be mounted right where you need them. Jon Barber Monty17 Ol'44 On Tue, Aug 3, 2021, 4:18 PM <montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
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1. Re: Winches on my M17 (Bob Eeg) 2. Re: Winches on my M17 (John Schinnerer) 3. Re: Winches on my M17 (swwheatley@comcast.net) 4. Re: Winches on my M17 (Charles Adams)
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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 20:27:43 +0000 From: Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Winches on my M17 To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <BYAPR14MB252016E67A8F76D541F4744DB7F09@BYAPR14MB2520.nam prd14.prod.outlook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
We slide the genny block down past the winch and tail it backward.
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On Aug 3, 2021, at 1:07 PM, Robert Goodyear <rbgoodyear@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a M17 Hull #502 built in 1993. I sailed her for a number of years and could never figure out why the winches are canted out. My wife and I barrel race on Barnegat Bay in NJ and have a difficult time trimming the 150 jib as the line is always crossed over. Any comments on crew positioning are welcome. Thanks
-- Best Regards,
Bob Goodyear rbgoodyear@gmail.com 732.684.1738 c <2021-08-03 10.31.29.jpg> <2021-08-03 10.30.33.jpg>
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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 13:56:35 -0700 From: John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Winches on my M17 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <3f998b8e-d8cb-10d8-10b1-b539048fc543@eco-living.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
With the sheets quite a bit further behind, the sheet will cross over on itself. Different on the one side than the other due to both winches turning the same way, so the sheet wraps outboard on one side but inboard on the other.
When I was using the original hank-on genoa, which was a 'sweeper' (cut low to deck), my blocks were still enough forward of the winch.
When I got the furling cruising jib (higher cut) they had to be back behind the winch a fair bit, and the sheet would interfere with itself somewhat.
I never used the winches with a handle to actually trim the jib. I just took wraps on them from habit from larger boats. Most of my sailing so far has been lakes where I'm tacking fairly frequently, so it is just a hassle to wrap on and off the winches.
I've since switched to using swivel cam-cleats for my jib sheets, with blocks on soft shackles thru toe rail (I have the older aluminum toe rail, full of holes). The blocks are pretty far aft due to the cut of the cruising jib (I posted some pics long ago). Solves the sheet crossover problem for sure.
As someone pointed out at the time, the sheet could still run to the winch after the swivel cleat if needed for purchase to trim. I just luff up quickly if necessary to sheet in jib.
Henry on Monita did something similar, slightly different hardware, before I did, that's what got me thinking it was viable.
cheers, John
On 8/3/21 1:27 PM, Bob Eeg wrote:
We slide the genny block down past the winch and tail it backward.
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On Aug 3, 2021, at 1:07 PM, Robert Goodyear <rbgoodyear@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a M17 Hull #502 built in 1993. I sailed her for a number of years and could never figure out why the winches are canted out. My wife and I barrel race on Barnegat Bay in NJ and have a difficult time trimming the 150 jib as the line is always crossed over. Any comments on crew positioning are welcome. Thanks
-- Best Regards,
Bob Goodyear rbgoodyear@gmail.com 732.684.1738 c <2021-08-03 10.31.29.jpg> <2021-08-03 10.30.33.jpg>
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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 17:15:38 -0400 From: <swwheatley@comcast.net> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Winches on my M17 To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <031901d788ac$b85b1b90$291152b0$@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
For a 150, the block needs to be well aft of the winch.
I'm assuming your 150 has tell-tales and you know how to use them to adjust twist.
-----Original Message----- From: Robert Goodyear <rbgoodyear@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 3:30 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Winches on my M17
I have a M17 Hull #502 built in 1993. I sailed her for a number of years and could never figure out why the winches are canted out. My wife and I barrel race on Barnegat Bay in NJ and have a difficult time trimming the 150 jib as the line is always crossed over. Any comments on crew positioning are welcome. Thanks
-- Best Regards,
Bob Goodyear rbgoodyear@gmail.com 732.684.1738 c
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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 19:17:31 -0400 From: Charles Adams <chaada@aol.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Winches on my M17 To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <FD209233-6AB0-4637-88A2-9ADEB7CFED54@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
I just replaced winches on my M17 with self tailing. $1000 for both. Have arthritis in my right shoulder and only sail single-hand so decided a little help would make things more enjoyable. Need I say, I like you, felt the original were not to my liking. Of course boat was build to sail with a crew. Also did an autopilot for more help. Best crew I could find. No arguing except a lecture to myself if doesn’t go as I want. I always hate to use age as an excuse for anything but at 81 I will take the help.
Really haven’t sailed with them enough to give a report on how it all works together. Presently working on another boat project. Drascombe Lugger I’ve had 40 years.
Charlie.
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On Aug 3, 2021, at 5:16 PM, swwheatley@comcast.net wrote:
For a 150, the block needs to be well aft of the winch.
I'm assuming your 150 has tell-tales and you know how to use them to adjust twist.
-----Original Message----- From: Robert Goodyear <rbgoodyear@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 3:30 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Winches on my M17
I have a M17 Hull #502 built in 1993. I sailed her for a number of years and could never figure out why the winches are canted out. My wife and I barrel race on Barnegat Bay in NJ and have a difficult time trimming the 150 jib as the line is always crossed over. Any comments on crew positioning are welcome. Thanks
-- Best Regards,
Bob Goodyear rbgoodyear@gmail.com 732.684.1738 c
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