Re-Styrofoam Floatation A fix I learned on the Daysailer (O'Day) website when the original foam got saturated, Remove it all and replace with 2 liter soda bottles. Each 2 liter bottle provides 4.4 pounds of floatation. I filled the inner hull with bottles and felt very comfortable that my 575 pound boat would stay on top of the water if capsized. Your mileage may vary! Kevin M-17 # 400 ________________________________ From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces+ksandwick=hotmail.com@mailman.xmission.com> on behalf of montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com <montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 1:00:07 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 187, Issue 3 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner@mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Styro below (Bruce Chmieleski) 2. Re: Styro below (Dave Scobie) 3. Re: Styrofoam below (Steve Trapp) 4. Re: Styrofoam below (Janice Smith) 5. Re: Styrofoam below (Mark Dvorscak) 6. Re: Styrofoam below (jerry@jerrymontgomery.org) 7. Re: Looking for Opinions - M17 (John Schinnerer) 8. Re: Styro below (Burton Lowry) 9. broken forestay mast fitting (doug) 10. Re: broken forestay mast fitting (Dave Scobie) 11. Re: broken forestay mast fitting (doug) 12. Re: broken forestay mast fitting (Dave Scobie) 13. Re: broken forestay mast fitting (Dave Scobie) 14. Re: broken forestay mast fitting (Doug 9326) 15. Re: broken forestay mast fitting (Bob Eeg) 16. Re: broken forestay mast fitting (Dave Scobie) 17. Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 187, Issue 2 (Bonnie Kostka) 18. Re: broken forestay mast fitting (Steve Trapp) 19. Re: floatation foam (Dave Scobie) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 12:06:40 -0700 From: Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski@sbcglobal.net> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styro below Message-ID: <DBA5515E-FE70-4027-8371-8E0B4F878A3E@sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Thanks Dave. Apparently this boat was flooded with snow melt in the Sierra some years ago which resulted in some on-board petrol diffusion. Petrol is what I seemed to detect throughout the cabin when I first inspected her and is consistent with the marine engineer?s report at the time. All cushions were replaced in the insurance settlement, however. I can still see the water line inside under the cockpit. Bruce Sent by mental telepathy!
Hi Folks,
I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning, replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for either solution on this topic.
Bruce Chmieleski Vacaville, CA
Sent by mental telepathy!
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Message: 2 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 08:44:43 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styrofoam below Message-ID:
Bruce:
That is the standard floatation foam. If they have become soiled you can remove and sail boat without it replace with the same polystyrene.
Are they obviously dirty? Interesting the foam smells as my '84 M15's were good as new (besides smelling like polystyrene).
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-
------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 12:17:32 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styro below Message-ID: <CAGjBOA6w5gKsSTMqX2tf7YdvRm2z-AzPw0zpR0oOskkpn6dppQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Bruce: Well gasoline in the cabin is all around bad! Should never store below!! If it makes you more likely to sail the boat if there is foam by all means replace. For me I'd not replace the foam after removal. I learned to sail in boats that would sink and cruised growing up (and now) on boats that will sink so floatation isn't something I think about. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Tue, Sep 4, 2018, 12:07 PM Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Thanks Dave. Apparently this boat was flooded with snow melt in the Sierra some years ago which resulted in some on-board petrol diffusion. Petrol is what I seemed to detect throughout the cabin when I first inspected her and is consistent with the marine engineer?s report at the time. All cushions were replaced in the insurance settlement, however. I can still see the water line inside under the cockpit.
Bruce
Sent by mental telepathy!
Hi Folks,
I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning,
replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for either solution on this topic.
Bruce Chmieleski Vacaville, CA
Sent by mental telepathy!
------------------------------
Message: 2 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 08:44:43 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styrofoam below Message-ID:
Bruce:
That is the standard floatation foam. If they have become soiled you can remove and sail boat without it replace with the same polystyrene.
Are they obviously dirty? Interesting the foam smells as my '84 M15's
were
good as new (besides smelling like polystyrene).
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-
------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 12:39:08 -0700 From: "Steve Trapp" <stevetrapp@Q.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styrofoam below Message-ID: <18DD5FFA4FCE4FD6A56C051EB27C2CD1@HPPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Brad, I bought 1985 M-15 # 335 when it was new, and also have the chunks of stryrofoam in the forward hatch, which I understand are there for floataion, but have never swamped the boat for the acid test, and have not developed any odor. I think if you need to replace those you have, do replace them for flotation, and be careful about any water getting into the cabin because it will leak into the compartment. Steve M-15 # 335 -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Chmieleski Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 8:31 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Styrofoam below Hi Folks, I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning, replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for either solution on this topic. Bruce Chmieleski Vacaville, CA Sent by mental telepathy! ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 12:50:20 -0700 From: Janice Smith <smithrj@gorge.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styrofoam below Message-ID: <2B8729FC-F3B6-4AFF-B834-43EA600A9361@gorge.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Bruce....pretty sure I am the owner of M15 365 1986. I just checked the imprinted boat ID number on the stern MMP 15365B686. Also under on the bottom side of the interior port locker lid M15 365 is written. The main displays #365 also. Sent from my iPad
On Sep 4, 2018, at 8:31 AM, Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Hi Folks,
I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning, replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for either solution on this topic.
Bruce Chmieleski Vacaville, CA
Sent by mental telepathy!
------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 13:21:31 -0700 From: Mark Dvorscak <mdvorscak56@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styrofoam below Message-ID: <CAA3iV0+1etMDnR3ye44Qw+bRzdHpad9CjR-pxUrrB_StdTCmTQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" The mysterious duplicate ID # has surfaced! I believe it has been reported in the past but maybe now we have confirmation. Or maybe something more mysterious happened under the Sierra snow melt?!!!? Mark Dvorscak M23 & M15 On Tue, Sep 4, 2018, 12:51 Janice Smith <smithrj@gorge.net> wrote:
Hi Bruce....pretty sure I am the owner of M15 365 1986. I just checked the imprinted boat ID number on the stern MMP 15365B686. Also under on the bottom side of the interior port locker lid M15 365 is written. The main displays #365 also.
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 4, 2018, at 8:31 AM, Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Hi Folks,
I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning, replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for either solution on this topic.
Bruce Chmieleski Vacaville, CA
Sent by mental telepathy!
On Sep 4, 2018 12:51, "Janice Smith" <smithrj@gorge.net> wrote: Hi Bruce....pretty sure I am the owner of M15 365 1986. I just checked the imprinted boat ID number on the stern MMP 15365B686. Also under on the bottom side of the interior port locker lid M15 365 is written. The main displays #365 also. Sent from my iPad
On Sep 4, 2018, at 8:31 AM, Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Hi Folks,
I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning, replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for either solution on this topic.
Bruce Chmieleski Vacaville, CA
Sent by mental telepathy!
------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 13:53:47 -0700 From: <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styrofoam below Message-ID: <F17F33AC70E846309C191D24AE76D0A6@CH002914> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original I've heard that when boats aren't sailed enough the embossed numbers slowly change to the previous number. The scientific name for this phenomenon is changavitus and has been recorded occasionally throughout history. Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking to it. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Dvorscak Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 1:21 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styrofoam below The mysterious duplicate ID # has surfaced! I believe it has been reported in the past but maybe now we have confirmation. Or maybe something more mysterious happened under the Sierra snow melt?!!!? Mark Dvorscak M23 & M15 On Tue, Sep 4, 2018, 12:51 Janice Smith <smithrj@gorge.net> wrote:
Hi Bruce....pretty sure I am the owner of M15 365 1986. I just checked the imprinted boat ID number on the stern MMP 15365B686. Also under on the bottom side of the interior port locker lid M15 365 is written. The main displays #365 also.
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 4, 2018, at 8:31 AM, Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Hi Folks,
I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning, replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for either solution on this topic.
Bruce Chmieleski Vacaville, CA
Sent by mental telepathy!
On Sep 4, 2018 12:51, "Janice Smith" <smithrj@gorge.net> wrote: Hi Bruce....pretty sure I am the owner of M15 365 1986. I just checked the imprinted boat ID number on the stern MMP 15365B686. Also under on the bottom side of the interior port locker lid M15 365 is written. The main displays #365 also. Sent from my iPad
On Sep 4, 2018, at 8:31 AM, Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Hi Folks,
I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning, replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for either solution on this topic.
Bruce Chmieleski Vacaville, CA
Sent by mental telepathy!
------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 23:14:03 -0700 From: John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Looking for Opinions - M17 Message-ID: <d4c774ad-3874-f5aa-982b-8d963c11eb7d@eco-living.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed I think an M-17 could work for your needs, while your daughter is small enough to sleep on the settee. Or is it daughters, plural? One place you say daughter, another "my girls"...? Two kids and two adults on an M-17 would be IMO a bit crowded, even if the kids are small (and since you are not, you're almost as tall as me :-). Though the cockpit is plenty big for four, the sleeping would be a bit crowded unless you have the newer M-17 with settees both sides and your girl(s) are small enough to sleep in them. And you could sleep in the cockpit, yes, it's 6 1/2 ft. long on the benches (but not in the well, so you'd have to rig some boards across the gap between benches, or lash yourself to one side or the other on the bench... :-). For a weekend or 3 days you could probably do it if you really wanted. For anything much longer, I think it would be a bit small. I'm 6' 3" and just fit on one side of the V-berth without my head hanging over the edge, and with my feet all the way into the point of the V taking up that space. So if anyone else is on the other side, they need to be a enough shorter, or we'll be fighting over the space for our feet... A couple of thoughts of other boats I have personal experience with that meet the trailerable option with a similar or less towing weight to the M-17 and more space for two adults and two(?) kids: West Wight Potter 19 - http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=5156 More space inside, though middle of that space is constricted/obstructed by the daggerboard trunk somewhat, more so when the board is up, and the cable for the board is in the way even when the board is down. Less of an issue for kid-sized people; more of an issue for tall guys like you (and me). A bit lighter to trailer; at least as easy as an M-17 to rig & launch. Not quite the performance of an M-17 but certainly adequate for your needs, enjoying some trailer sailor cruising with family or solo. Sails a bit flatter than round hull boats due to hard chines, and a fairly dry ride in chop in my experience. Beach-able even on shallow shores with dagger-board up. Not as heavily built as M-17 but for your lake sailing/camping certainly adequate. Never had my own but a sailing club I was in had one that I've rigged (up & down) & trailer launched & retrieved & sailed a bunch & qualified to skipper. Not sure how easy to find one of these in decent shape for affordable price. They've been made for a lot of years so price will vary with age as well as condition. Ensenada 20 (or Balboa 20 - same hull, different deck/cabin). http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=53 Also a Lyle Hess design (as is the M-17). About the same trailering weight. Swing keel, sits lower on trailer, beachable with keel up on fairly shallow shores, but has the disadvantages of a swing keel also (cable hum, performance, deeper draft with keel down, possible leaks at pivot bolt, etc.). But she sails OK, again I would say plenty adequate for your needs, and like most all Hess designs is seaworthy and safe even in relatively inexperienced hands. The Ensenada with its raised deck cabin design is very very roomy inside for a 20-footer (Balboa less so but still more than an M-17). Plenty of space for sleeping/cruising with a family of 4. Tradeoff is a rather small cockpit (but passengers can sprawl on the big raised deck). The one I owned for a little while I bought from a guy who had it 20 years and did lots of family camping when his kids were still kids. Not as heavily built as M-17 but for your lake sailing/camping certainly adequate. Mast is taller & heavier than M-17 or Potter 19 so raising/lowering solo will need some tackle, but it's a strong rig, heavy mast extrusion used to avoid need for any spreaders on shrouds. More windage due to raised deck design (less so on Balboa deck version). These can be had pretty cheaply when available, they were made 1972-1981 so all are fairly old. Both of the above are fine to single-hand, or at least that's my experience. cheers, John S. On 08/23/2018 03:50 PM, Darrin Goodman wrote:
Hi,
My name is Darrin and I'm new to this list. I live in northern CO and I have developed the bug to go sailing - although I am a newbie here, I am no stranger to water; I'm an avid and long-time whitewater canoeist and whitewater rafter. I'm also used to doing long self-supported trips.
Recently someone pointed out to me that as a landlocked individual, I would have more frequent and varied sailing opportunities if I purchase a smaller trailerable boat as opposed to a larger boat, and I can see the wisdom in that. A larger (25-28') boat will likely take longer and be more involved to set up, will be more difficult to store, will likely stay for the whole season at one single body of water, will potentially be more difficult to single hand (at least for a newbie like me), and will be more expensive to own/store/maintain.
I'm 6'1" tall and weigh about 220 lbs. I'd like to have the ability to do the following: - be mobile so that I can sail in various CO lakes and not be limited to just one body of water - single-hand the boat during times when I am alone - have enough room on and in the boat for weekend overnight trips with my wife and daughter - having the ability to beach the boat or get close to shore would be a plus
I'm considering an M-17. I like it's lines and its simplicity; it's trailerable and I believe that it would be reasonably easy to set-up/take-down by myself. We don't need to bring a lot of stuff other than food, cold beer and a change of clothes. I am hopeful that sometimes perhaps I could sleep in the cockpit under a tarp, which would free up space in the cabin for my girls.
Here's what I'd like to know.... given what I have listed here, do you feel like the M-17 would be a good fit for my family and I? Will my wife and I be able to fit in the v-berth for sleeping and will my small daughter fit on the quarter birth? If not, is there another boat that you would recommend based on the criteria that I have listed here?
Thanks so much in advance!
-Darrin
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 07:03:00 -0400 From: Burton Lowry <burtonlowry7@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styro below Message-ID: <916BBF54-F6BF-4C6C-BBD4-C1658F494F1E@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 To remove the odor from petrol-- I have been told... and experienced...that there is a degree of porosity to fiberglass layup with polyester resin. So this may be more than just on the surface. Removing the tainted flotation is a start. Kitty litter can do a good job of sucking up oil, but for small amounts we have found talcum powder ? as in baby powder, to be amazingly effective. It works wonders in getting oil spots off clothing, though it may take a few applications. I'm wondering if several heavy dustings with talcum powder may help bring that odor out. It's a cheap fix if it works. I imagine the previous owner was storing the gas tank for the outboard in the cabin to keep it from being stolen. And, that the vent wasn't shut.... far better to have a dedicated locker in the cockpit that is ventilated, and separate from the cabin air. This can be some work to install on a boat that doesn't have it, but it is possible. As I only have a Montgomery 12, I don't know the arrangement on the 15. Burt Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 4, 2018, at 3:17 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Bruce:
Well gasoline in the cabin is all around bad! Should never store below!!
If it makes you more likely to sail the boat if there is foam by all means replace. For me I'd not replace the foam after removal. I learned to sail in boats that would sink and cruised growing up (and now) on boats that will sink so floatation isn't something I think about.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Tue, Sep 4, 2018, 12:07 PM Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Thanks Dave. Apparently this boat was flooded with snow melt in the Sierra some years ago which resulted in some on-board petrol diffusion. Petrol is what I seemed to detect throughout the cabin when I first inspected her and is consistent with the marine engineer?s report at the time. All cushions were replaced in the insurance settlement, however. I can still see the water line inside under the cockpit.
Bruce
Sent by mental telepathy!
Hi Folks,
I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning,
replacing, etc. There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit. Are these part of the normal floatation for this craft? They are a bit odorous so I would either replace or remove. Thanks for any helpful info for either solution on this topic.
Bruce Chmieleski Vacaville, CA
Sent by mental telepathy!
------------------------------
Message: 2 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 08:44:43 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styrofoam below Message-ID:
Bruce:
That is the standard floatation foam. If they have become soiled you can remove and sail boat without it replace with the same polystyrene.
Are they obviously dirty? Interesting the foam smells as my '84 M15's
were
good as new (besides smelling like polystyrene).
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-
------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 07:48:52 -0700 From: doug <doug9326@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting Message-ID: <E41FB1FD-C9BD-4E6C-845C-25495A4E54FB@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down or it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to enjoy some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I need to know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay attaches to the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is left is the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be. ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 08:03:55 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting Message-ID: <CAGjBOA4JkopwhKE8TzCZM6xbx+MGYe11V_UVdnwWKcDGntxNkQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Doug: Boat? 15 or 17? So the fitting is the aluminum metal casting? Year of boat? :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 7:50 AM doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down or it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to enjoy some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I need to know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay attaches to the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is left is the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be.
------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 08:30:35 -0700 From: doug <doug9326@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting Message-ID: <0DD38246-DE6A-4563-B3CF-D7A68C1F97C4@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The year is 1980. The fitting is whatever it is that holds up the forestay on the mast. So the mast fitting is the aluminum metal casting which the forestay is attached to on the mast just above the jib fitting.
On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:03 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Doug:
Boat? 15 or 17?
So the fitting is the aluminum metal casting?
Year of boat?
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 7:50 AM doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down or it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to enjoy some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I need to know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay attaches to the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is left is the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be.
------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 08:34:03 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting Message-ID: <CAGjBOA70Br0KstoOPSxdAvyXD5eNJb9jEduCLDX=FBp4LjOYAQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" 17 Doug? Or is this a 15? :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:31 AM doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
The year is 1980. The fitting is whatever it is that holds up the forestay on the mast. So the mast fitting is the aluminum metal casting which the forestay is attached to on the mast just above the jib fitting.
On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:03 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Doug:
Boat? 15 or 17?
So the fitting is the aluminum metal casting?
Year of boat?
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 7:50 AM doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down or it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to enjoy some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I need to know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay attaches to the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is left is the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be.
------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 08:36:35 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting Message-ID: <CAGjBOA7WUnx1t2JyvvWsCHPx8byRUgXUOLc+U15Ho-3nA-_ngA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Ignore the last email - '80 means a 17! (Duh on my part). A picture will really help as your boat's mast is different shape/size than one you can nkw get now (as the mast manufacturer for your boat is no longer around). :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:34 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
17 Doug? Or is this a 15?
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:31 AM doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
The year is 1980. The fitting is whatever it is that holds up the forestay on the mast. So the mast fitting is the aluminum metal casting which the forestay is attached to on the mast just above the jib fitting.
On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:03 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Doug:
Boat? 15 or 17?
So the fitting is the aluminum metal casting?
Year of boat?
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 7:50 AM doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down or it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to enjoy some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I need to know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay attaches to the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is left is the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be.
------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 08:42:48 -0600 From: Doug 9326 <doug9326@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting Message-ID: <CAKuJGDw57eScigUvFvg-Sz8M+jU8o=O6u36uyi72HxJk+uaZHA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Ok. I will get a photo to you today. Thanks On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:38 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Ignore the last email - '80 means a 17! (Duh on my part).
A picture will really help as your boat's mast is different shape/size than one you can nkw get now (as the mast manufacturer for your boat is no longer around).
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:34 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
17 Doug? Or is this a 15?
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:31 AM doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
The year is 1980. The fitting is whatever it is that holds up the forestay on the mast. So the mast fitting is the aluminum metal casting which the forestay is attached to on the mast just above the jib fitting.
On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:03 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Doug:
Boat? 15 or 17?
So the fitting is the aluminum metal casting?
Year of boat?
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 7:50 AM doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down or it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to enjoy some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I need to know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay attaches to the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is left is the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be.
------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 15:49:34 +0000 From: Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting Message-ID: <MWHPR1701MB19365C4A5768D386B227EDC6B7020@MWHPR1701MB1936.namprd17.prod.outlook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Doug I thought you owned a 1980 Montgomery 15....? You mentioned an oblong hole.....that?s for the headstay. A bolt runs thru the mast capturing the swaged headstay and either end of the bolt will hold the Side stays. The headstay exits out the oblong hole. Bob Sent from my iPad
On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:40 AM, Doug 9326 <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok. I will get a photo to you today. Thanks
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:38 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Ignore the last email - '80 means a 17! (Duh on my part).
A picture will really help as your boat's mast is different shape/size than one you can nkw get now (as the mast manufacturer for your boat is no longer around).
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:34 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
17 Doug? Or is this a 15?
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:31 AM doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
The year is 1980. The fitting is whatever it is that holds up the forestay on the mast. So the mast fitting is the aluminum metal casting which the forestay is attached to on the mast just above the jib fitting.
On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:03 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Doug:
Boat? 15 or 17?
So the fitting is the aluminum metal casting?
Year of boat?
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 7:50 AM doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down or it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to enjoy some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I need to know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay attaches to the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is left is the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be.
------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 08:51:15 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting Message-ID: <CAGjBOA5eDJA4+6PuqWY6p64UMX0b32jkkCrY820fCoq6NdTfEw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Doug: For the email list you need to reduce the size of the image ... I can't remember the exact size limit but something 200-300MB should be OK (I think). :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:41 AM Doug 9326 <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok. I will get a photo to you today. Thanks
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:38 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Ignore the last email - '80 means a 17! (Duh on my part).
A picture will really help as your boat's mast is different shape/size than one you can nkw get now (as the mast manufacturer for your boat is no longer around).
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:34 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
17 Doug? Or is this a 15?
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 8:31 AM doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
The year is 1980. The fitting is whatever it is that holds up the forestay on the mast. So the mast fitting is the aluminum metal casting which the forestay is attached to on the mast just above the jib fitting.
On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:03 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Doug:
Boat? 15 or 17?
So the fitting is the aluminum metal casting?
Year of boat?
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 7:50 AM doug <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down or it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to enjoy some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I need to know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay attaches to the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is left is the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be.
------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 16:18:22 +0000 (UTC) From: Bonnie Kostka <bonniekostka@sbcglobal.net> To: "montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 187, Issue 2 Message-ID: <1100169369.1828033.1536164302270@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Does anyone know where you would buy replacement foam & what size or amout of foam to buy? Moonbeam (M15)Bonnie Kostka On Tuesday, September 4, 2018 2:01 PM, "montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com" <montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to ??? montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at ??? montgomery_boats-owner@mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Styrofoam below (Bruce Chmieleski) ? 2. Re: Styrofoam below (Dave Scobie) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 08:31:01 -0700 From: Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski@sbcglobal.net> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Styrofoam below Message-ID: <E3A56DD7-881C-4601-BED7-B3B050811FF3@sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Folks, I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning, replacing, etc.? There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit.? Are these part of the normal floatation for this craft?? They are a bit odorous so I would either replace or remove.? Thanks for any helpful info for either solution on this topic. Bruce Chmieleski Vacaville, CA Sent by mental telepathy! ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 08:44:43 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats ??? <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Styrofoam below Message-ID: ??? <CAGjBOA6FqfANYwes4xT0m1H=oAQEcrGRzoXmGvmc8uaWraUSCg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Bruce: That is the standard floatation foam.? If they have become soiled you can remove and sail boat without it replace with the same polystyrene. Are they obviously dirty?? Interesting the foam smells as my '84 M15's were good as new (besides smelling like polystyrene). :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Tue, Sep 4, 2018, 8:40 AM Bruce Chmieleski <chmieleski@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Hi Folks,
I am now a M15 owner (1986 #365) and have been going about cleaning, replacing, etc.? There are double-fist-sized chunks of styrofoam crammed in the forward hatch and some larger pieces aft under the cockpit.? Are these part of the normal floatation for this craft?? They are a bit odorous so I would either replace or remove.? Thanks for any helpful info for either solution on this topic.
Bruce Chmieleski Vacaville, CA
Sent by mental telepathy!
------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! ------------------------------ End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 187, Issue 2 ************************************************ ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 09:31:28 -0700 From: "Steve Trapp" <stevetrapp@Q.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting Message-ID: <1259ADA90D3F4DE1B6CE12A9B3CDCA3C@HPPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original That happened on my M-15 several years ago and I was able to drop the mast and jerry rig a fitting from a small bolt and washer I picked up at the local True Value hardware. Now that I have the information from Dave Scobie's e-mail I will probably order a regular fitting and replace the bolt and washer that have worked for many years. I think Odell Lake is a motor free lake, did you have a paddle? Steve M-15 # 335 -----Original Message----- From: doug Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 7:48 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down or it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to enjoy some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I need to know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay attaches to the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is left is the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be. = ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 09:26:43 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: Bonnie Kostka <bonniekostka@sbcglobal.net>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: floatation foam Message-ID: <CAGjBOA7b2xARCWgUM36yS0HfBq-8zY42Bwc2Xiwq-dMsBxtqEA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Bonnie. You need to call around to local plastic supply places to see whom will sell you a large block of polystyrene. You then cut this up to small pieces and put them under vberth. larger blocks under cockpit. Take out your stinky foam to figure volume needed for new. Online may also work but shipping is an issue - I bet shipping more than the foam! Another option is to fill area with pool noodles. With shipping for a polystyrene block this method may be cheaper :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:19 AM Bonnie Kostka <bonniekostka@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Does anyone know where you would buy replacement foam & what size or amout of foam to buy? Moonbeam (M15)Bonnie Kostka
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