Joe....I will install them on Monday. It's a good choice if your sailing a crowd. Bob
From: seagray@embarqmail.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:27:45 -0400> Subject: Re: M_Boats: SF Bay Sail, and Cockpit drain config.> > Bob,> I wasn't aware of this situation. Is the option for the 2 valves too late > for Sea Frog??> Joe> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob From California" <ocean37@hotmail.com>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 11:59 AM> Subject: Re: M_Boats: SF Bay Sail, and Cockpit drain config.> > > >> > We know that a cockpit full of people will squat the boat so we offer an > > upgrade with positive> > shut off capabilites. What we do offer are 2 Forespar 1.5 inch Marelon > > Ball Valves that can simply be levered to the off position to prevent any > > water at all coming thru the cockpit drains. A photo of this option is > > here:> >> > http://www.montgomeryboats.com/photodym.php?startIdx=96> >> > It is in the aft locker. For others who sail with several people and gear > > (icechest. fuel tank, heavy outboard) I think having a couple of rubber > > plugs shoved in the cockpit wall drain holes works well.> >> > We offer this option (the Forespar ball valve) to everyone.> >> > I think the design elevation of the cockpit floor is good; but nothing is > > going to keep water from backwashing or seeking it's own level when the > > boat is loaded with people and the associated weight of> > the outboard, fuel, anchor/rode, mother-inlaw and the dog. Once the cockit > > floor is below the waterline> > you will have a backwash situation.> >> > Even if the drains were in the floor and went straight down (below the > > waterline) it wouldn't keep an aft> > loaded boats cockpit dry. That's why I prefer to simply raise the seat on > > the fuel tank locker and lever> > the marelon ball valves to the off position. No water can enter at all.> >> > Fair winds> > Bob> > (949) 489-8227> >> >> >> >> >> From: picfo@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:01:05 -0700> To: > >> montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: SF Bay Sail, > >> and Cockpit drain config.> > A trip to Angel Island would make the > >> perfect overnight shakedown > cruise for Spirit. It will force me to > >> install that Seacook stove I > bought a month ago (I hate drilling holes > >> in new boats).> > And a tip on Whale one-way valves if you are > >> considering them: They > don't work - at least not on the newer M-17s > >> with the drain hoses > running through the transom. Spirit's cockpit is > >> constantly awash in > backed-up seawater. Singlehanding draws only a cup > >> of water (I'm > 6'4" 220# and there's a 60# 4hp Merc hanging off the > >> stern bracket). > With three full-sized adults in the cockpit the amount > >> of water > sloshing around on the cockpit sole gets ankle deep on the > >> leeward > side when beating to windward. I'd call this a design flaw but > >> the > current drain configuration is NOT how Lyle Hess originally > >> designed it.> > My advice is that If your below-the-waterline > >> through-hull > configuration keeps the water out then stick with the > >> basic design, > but upgrade the materials it if they are suspect.> > And, > >> if anyone out there is contemplating ordering a new M-17, work > out a > >> cockpit drainage solution that obeys the laws of physics.> > Jim> M-17 > >> "Spirit"> > On Jun 23, 2008, at 11:09 PM, Michael Ray Wisely wrote:> > > > >> Hey Jim,> >> > I'm sailing in my front yard right now. I hope to get > >> "Meg" ready > > by late> > July, early August. I'm going to pull the CB > >> and I'm replacing all > > the> > exterior teak. Just got back from buying > >> the wood...Teak is at a > > whopping> > $26 a board ft. yikes...decided > >> to bite the bullet, so I guess I > > can't> > complain.> > I want to do > >> the Angel Island overnight as one of my first sails > > when we are> > > >> shipshape, but I will get up with you when we get her ready.> >> > Now:> > >> >> > Here's a question for everyone out there. My M-17 #383 has the > > > >> drains that> > are attached to hoses and exit thru and under the > >> waterline. This > > concerned> > me when I first saw it, but they have > >> appeared to work fine in the> > relatively calm conditions that I have > >> been in so far. Any reason > > to think> > it is not good the way it is?> > >> >> > I read a lot of info on changing/re-working cockpit drains. Is > > > >> there any> > reason to?> >> >> > Any thoughts?> >> > Wish I was sailing > >> right now.> >> > Soon.> >> > Michael Ray> > M17 The "MEG"> > SF Bay> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________> > > >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> > > >> > _______________________________________________> > >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> > _______________________________________________> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> > > > > _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats