Dave and remark on M17. I had to check my comment on M17 designed for regatta. I looked it up and it says it was specifically designed for cursing. For cursing I would question based on comfort. My comment was based mainly on never seeing one that wasn’t in a regatta. Assumptions will always make us eat our words. I also did some personal reflection on time it was introduced to market. As I recall the sailboats being built then for a family, I had a Chrysler 22 with loads of inside room, or those who were looking for a weekend boat for regattas and the M17 may have designed for cruising but it seem to have been a perfect fit for the weekend regatta sailor. Still remember when the Montgomery regatta in AZ was big news. My opinion only. Maybe another interest is I started out wanting a Sage 17. I spoke with you to view one at Annapolis but for whatever reason I believe the showing was cancel. I then read two articles comparing the Sage to M17. Both were that the M17 was a more stable boat and easier to sail. Why I bought the M17 after a long search. I have no recall where I read the articles Thanks for keeping education even if I only made it as a casual remark. Charlie Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 29, 2021, at 1:22 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Charlie:
M17 designed for regatta sailing not for single handing? I don't understand your comment. Please add some detail so I can better understand your point of view.
Thanks.
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On Fri, Oct 29, 2021, 6:25 AM Charles Adams via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: I agree with all Tyler’s comments concerning roller fullering. I sailed a Tanzer 22 many years starting on Puget Sound, Chesapeake, and Lake Ontario with only a jib. Then owned a new Catalina 320 with roller fullering that worked good but had problems. Boat that size roller fullering a must but never comes down or up. I bought my M17 three years ago and it had a roller fuller. The first time l launched boat, wife and I, was a horror story and by standers had to help us. Heavy is an understatement especially getting mast in step. Went into Marina. Second season same problem and I stopped trying and went to a Marina for help. Didn’t sail much first season because of broken shoulder. Second year more sailing but never liked the roller for all the reasons Tyler gave. I do not like marinas but because of roller fuller forget trailering. The boat was used for racing on Chesapeake. This season I will trailer and use only a jib and a 130 if I want it.
Simplicity is the only way. I’ve been sailing a Drascombe Lugger I bought at factory in England 40 years ago. It’s been all over Europe, plus all the places I had the Tanzer. It has a very simple roller fuller and never an issue.
I bought the M17 for cabin. I’ve added a number of things to my M17 making it easy for single handing but as I type this I am off and on about just selling. What stops me is I have put a lot of money into it making upgrades. It’s a 2005 and returned to better than new as far as I am concerned. So far the M17 is not what I expected but have enjoyed working on it at the expense of sailing. I know it was designed for the regatta world which for me means crew. I will only sail singlehanded and have no interest in a crew.
Charlie