RE: M_Boats: RE: M-15 adjustable motor mounts

27 Jan 2004

      Don,

Yeah, I've noticed that.  And I, too, been thinking of performing surgery on
the mounting board.   

I think the dynamic is accounted for by the rising water flow as it exits
the stern.  When I look at the bottom of the board relative to the transom,
the board is even with, or just above, the waterline i.e. where the transom
meets the boat bottom.  I believe board appears to be in the water because
the water flow is rising as it exits transom.  Following the rising contour
of the bottom, and anxious to return to its rightful place, it actually
rises above the surface level of the body of water as it flows past the
stern.  So it bumps into the board.   It's not like the board is really
dragging below the surface level, it just looks that way.   

Either way, it isn't helping the boat's efficiency and it doesn't look
pretty either, warranting some surgery.  

Just my $.02.

Bill Riker
M15 #184
Storm Petrel

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Hi guys:
The other day while motoring in through shallow water with the rudder up I
had to sit back to the stern to get to the handle on my trusty Honda 2 HP, I
noticed that the board on the motor mount that the outboard clamps to was
DRAGGING IN THE WATER! Wow! When I got back in deep water, I dropped the
rudder and moved forward but the board was still it the water. There are two
adjustment slots for the lower position and it was in the top slot. I'm
thinking about getting my Dremel tool and making a new set of slots to get
the board up higher.
Has anyone else with the new motor mount noticed this? I'm a big guy (200#)
but not that big!
Of course, its only a problem with the motor down and then you still have
lots of power.
Fair winds (I had to wear a jacket today, winter is hell!)
Don Ludlow M-15 # 620 Sweet Dream

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   1. Re: new subscriber (Wayne Yeargain)
   2. Re: M-17 trailer wheels (Kerry Swart)
   3. Re: new subscriber (gilbert landin)
   4. Re: new subscriber (MC)
   5. Re: new subscriber (davenanc)
   6. Re: new subscriber (davenanc)
   7. Trailor Sailor Link (MC)
   8. coolerless cruising (htmills@bright.net)
   9. Re: coolerless cruising - not a problem (Wcpritchett@aol.com)
  10. Re: monty vs cape dory typhoon (Gilbert Landin)
  11. RE: Re: monty vs cape dory typhoon (Roberta Dvorscak)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 09:18:49 -0600
From: "Wayne Yeargain" <saltydog@ev1.net>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: new subscriber
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Hi Gilbert
I live in Manvel Tx. and sail a in Galveston Bay and surrounding area, if
you'd like to see a Monty contact me.

Regards

Wayne M17 "Intrepid"
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Gilbert Landin, Corpus christi, Texas. I dont have a monty but have been
captivated with the material online, I would love to see one "live" any
owners in the south texas coastal bend?

gil
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 09:40:24 -0700
From: Kerry Swart <Kerry.Swart@Sun.COM>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-17 trailer wheels
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Kroil is super. It is an order of magnitude WD-40, but boy does it smell!

Kerry

chbenneck@juno.com wrote:
...
Hi Harvey,
What I use to free rusted parts are:
AERO KROIL
                                                Kano Laboratories
                                                1000 S. Thompson Lane
                                                Nashville, TN 37211
This is only available through mail order; I've never seen it in stores.
The other is:
CRC 5-56
                                                CRC Chemicals USA
                                                Warminster, PA 18974
The CRC products are available at automobile parts and supply stores:
also you will find it in Welding Supply shops.
Both products have done good jobs for me, and I don;t prefer one over the
other.  Usually it's a case of which spray can is within reach?  Garage
or downstairs in my shop.
After you have soaked them for a few days, try warming the studs with a
small propane torch.  Heat does a good job of breaking down rust.  Just
be careful that you do it outside,; and have a fire extinguisher handy if
things start burning (the oil in the solvents).
Another old trick is to take a larger size pin punch and about a 2 lb
hand sledge hammer. Put the pin punch on a corner of the hex of the wheel
nut, then  try hitting it with the 2 lb sledge.  Short sharp blows will
(hopefully) loosen the nut.
What you are trying to do is position the punch so that you apply
tangential force to the nut (trying to rotate the nut).
The combination of soaking in a rust solvent; applying heat to the stud;
and applying force with the hammer should do the trick..........
Next time put some water pump grease on the stud threads before you put
the trailer in water!
Good luck
Connie
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:27:29 -0600
From: "gilbert landin" <gilbert@mindgame.com>
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Thanks, that would be marvelous. Can you give me some ddetails?

gilbert

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...
Hi, I am at Canyon Lake. I am 17 foot long and need a new home. My owner
died in October and he loved to sail so much. Come up and take a look.
Nancy Phippeny
830 899 2438 home
830 899 7675 work
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Gilbert Landin, Corpus christi, Texas. I dont have a monty but have been
captivated with the material online, I would love to see one "live" any
owners in the south texas coastal bend?
gil
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 16:32:05 -0500
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where is Canyon Lake ???

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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 16:09:55 -0600
From: "davenanc" <davenanc@gvtc.com>
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Canyon Lake is mid way between Austin and San Antonio Tx.
Nanc
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where is Canyon Lake ???
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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 16:37:29 -0600
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Well I need to get the title out of lock box to tell you the year and hull
#. I have a list of things David had written down about it. At present and
for the last year and 1/2 it has been trapped and kept clean but not in the
water. It looks good; has 4 cockpit winches, two rudders, one cut down and
one designed to kickup. 1 Jib, 1 main, 180 Genoa, 1 Spinnaker. 1 Anchor,
knot meter,76'  6 hp Johnson motor, Main cover, Cockpit canvas bags,
Trailer, windex, new bearings and lights on trailer, but I need to replace
one tire due to it going flat. Cushions are in great shape. There may be a
few other things which I have not thought of. I had planned to go out of
town this weekend but if we get bad weather and north is where I had planned
to go then I will be canceling my trip for sure. Back to the sail boat, I
have always considered it a" guy thing" so I may have to call a friend
regarding any questions I can't answer; I know I should have listened closer
but towards the end I just couldn't ask David to tell me more about the
boat. It was his love and I couldn't bring myself to do it. I know also that
it has only been in lake water and to my knowledge this lake. David bought
it from an older sailor who belonged to the Lake Canyon Yacht Club. Guess
you know where Canyon Lake is located. I tried calling you back but didn't
get you.  Regards, Nanc
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Thanks, that would be marvelous. Can you give me some ddetails?
gilbert
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Hi, I am at Canyon Lake. I am 17 foot long and need a new home. My owner
died in October and he loved to sail so much. Come up and take a look.
Nancy Phippeny
830 899 2438 home
830 899 7675 work
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Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 11:00 PM
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Gilbert Landin, Corpus christi, Texas. I dont have a monty but have been
captivated with the material online, I would love to see one "live" any
owners in the south texas coastal bend?
gil
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 18:51:34 -0500
From: "MC" <southisland2@earthlink.net>
Subject: M_Boats: Trailor Sailor Link
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Some one know what happening, I tried to see one of the Trailer Sailor links
and I keep getting error message, no longer available at this server. Are
they still around,  I'm looking for the picture of a short railing around
the base of the mast and a solar panel attached to the sliding hatch.

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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:07:37 -0500
From: <htmills@bright.net>
Subject: M_Boats: coolerless cruising
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....thought this article about cruising sans cooler (and refrigerator) might
be of interest:

http://www.boatus.com/goodoldboat/cooler.htm

Tod

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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 21:38:37 EST
From: Wcpritchett@aol.com
Subject: Re: M_Boats: coolerless cruising - not a problem
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My wife and I spent almost two years cruising in the Bahamas on a 28' ketch 
without refrigeration...believe me, it isn't a big deal once you get over
the 
mental block of doing it.  Ever since then I drink warm soda pop and don't
even 
think about it.
Bill P.

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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 21:48:16 -0600
From: "Gilbert Landin" <gilbert@mindgame.com>
Subject: M_Boats: Re: monty vs cape dory typhoon
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I have been tossing and turning, trying to decide what my next sailboat will
be.
I thought for sure I would want something trailable. Not being limited to by
neighborhood
is a great incentive. I also wanted a daysailor w/ a cabin to spend weekends
somewhere.
Abig concearn (and I turn to this knowledgable group) is how the boat
handles in bay situations
when the wind is blowing 20-25 knots as it will be for the next 4-5 months.
I was looking at a cape dory
typhoon, with its nice heavy shoal keel  But they stopped
produced in the mid 80's. So there is a big apeal towards newer stronger and
lighter materials. I have never sailed either
dows anyone have any comparison notes between the CD Typhoon and the 17?

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I live in Rockport and have just purchased our 2nd Monty which will live
in 
Maine.  The original which is about 20 years old is here in Rockport.
I'll bet 
that the owner will show it to you if you knocked on the door and asked 
nicely--he did for me.  I can look up the address for you if you like.
Skip Langley
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Has anyone used the Flopper Stoppers how much did they stop the roll???

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Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:54:33 -0800
From: "Roberta Dvorscak" <edarts93@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: M_Boats: Re: monty vs cape dory typhoon
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I don't have any experience with the Cape Dory Typhoon but my 1983 M17
(with the working jib or a few wraps on the furler and 1 reef in the
main) is a delight to sail in 25 knot winds. I can heave to for a snack
with no problem or I can put the rail in the water to try and get my
wife wet while she's lounging on the leeward cockpit seat. The M17
inspires great confidence and is just plain fun to sail in a blow. It's
also an easily trailered boat. As you can tell, I'm hooked. My wife and
I have spent up to a week on the boat and on several occasions have gone
for 3 days without setting foot on land. There are other good boats
around for sure, but I don't believe that there are any better boats in
the same size.

Mark Dvorscak
M17 Grace
M23 Faith

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RE: M_Boats: RE: M-15 adjustable motor mounts

William B. Riker