Dave: You saved me a lot of grief with my motor! I set it up in my drive to test run, since I worked on the shift mechanism and water pump this winter. I also told you I would take some photos. This motor hasn't been started since the beginning of November. I squeezed the bulb 5 times, pulled the choke, and it started on the second pull. As before it stopped in a few minutes, and needed the bulb squeezed another 4-5 times to restart. Turns out my fuel pump is leaking like a sieve, from the removable "head plate". I had never before squeezed the prime bulb with the cowling off. I'm betting this leak has something to do with difficult priming. I'm mighty glad I have time to rebuild it before taking off on the Florida 120! Let me know your e-mail and I'll send photos of the modifications needed for a remote tank. Mark House ----- Original Message ----- From: "W David Scobie" <wdscobie@yahoo.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 5:21 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M 15 outboard and filling the fuel tank mark: i'm into my third season now with the suzuki. when you state "slow to prime" and "well-primed" do you mean you REALLY need to pump the external tank primer-bulb many times to get a _very_firm_ amount of pressure in the line in order for the fuel pump to get good suction? have you tested with the motor running 3/4 throttle? interesting that the issues you listed are the exact same items that have failed on my '03 model that came with my M17 - * waterpump = gave out on my _just_ as i finished the '09 MSOG san juan island trip. * gear shifting = gave out on mine, froze ROCK SOLID, _just_ as i finished the '09 MSOG trip. add to the above, last year the choke knob feel off during the first trip of the year (late april). i have it zipped tied to the control rod now ... how this isn't standard i don't know? :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 - SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.us --- On Fri, 3/4/11, Mark House <itsmark@bresnan.net> wrote: Dave: Here's what the fuel pump looks like: http://store.brownspoint.com/df4/fig009.asp I buy parts from Browns Point in NJ, because they have all the parts drawings on their website. Here's what I bought for my 2004 model: #65720-986B0 Fuel Connector $18.57 #65750-87J11 Fuel Hose Connector $15.50 #09103-06237 Bolt $ 2.07 See the drawing below: http://store.brownspoint.com/df4/fig031.asp I already had a 3 gallon tank and hose assembly from a previous boat. I have limited experience with this setup, as I just got my M-17 launched last fall. I found that the system is somewhat unusually slow to prime. I started the motor at the ramp, motored about 100 yards and it quit. So I had to sail into my slip! Anyhow, when it gets well-primed it works with no problem. I ran it 45 minutes in a garbage can in my drive, and up to 30 minutes at a time on the lake I replaced the water pump, and solved gear shifting problems during the winter, so need to run it again in the drive. Maybe tomorrow. If so, I'll send you photos. Mark House ----- Original Message ----- From: "W David Scobie" <wdscobie@yahoo.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 3:51 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M 15 outboard and filling the fuel tank mark: what parts did you order? i've looked into this to 'retrofit' my suzuki 4HP and i always run into a 'wall' of information that says i need about 12 part ... one of which is the 6HP's fuel pump. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 - SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.us --- On Fri, 3/4/11, Mark House <itsmark@bresnan.net> wrote: I noticed that My 4 HP Suzuki has a fuel pump that pumps gas from the integral tank to the carb. So I threw away the tank and added a gas line fitting. Got parts supposed to go on the 6HP. It works fine from a remote 3 gallon tank. Maybe some other small motors have a similar arrangement. Biggest problem was how to plug the hole in the cowling where the tank fill used to stick out! Mark House _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet!