Along with my M17, I have a 1990 Seaward Fox with the fractional rig, not the cat rig. My understanding is that the mast for the cat rig is prone to problems, it is carbon fiber. The Seaward is also a tough little boat, by adding the bow sprit to the Seaward Slipper 17 in the late 80's, it became the Seaward Fox 19. Some of the Seaward Fox's made are reportedly unsinkable. My opinion is that the cockpit of the Seaward is not as comfortable as the Montgomery. Randy Sommerfeld Seaward Fox "Tucson" M-17 "No Worries" -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of W David Scobie Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 7:17 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: seaward fox the seaward fox is a nice looking little boat. with her short keel does she sail even close to the M17? the 'wing' is said to help ... but does it really make up for lost depth? as you have a sloop version i'm she she does better into the wind than the catboat style. her length makes the montgomery fans wish for a M19 or M20 ;-) dave scobie M17 #375 - SWEET PEA visit SWEET PEA's www-site: http://www.m17.375.webs.com --- On Fri, 11/5/10, Ronnie Keeler <ronkeeler@hotmail.com> wrote: ... my "new to me" Seaward Fox at the local sign shop and they look great too. Why sell my Monty and buy a Fox........ 40 inch draft with Griselda's fin keel vs. 20 inch with the Prudence's wing. I have less than 3 feet of water at my dock right now which is normal in the Fall. And, yes, I do sail year round. I was out in Prudence this afternoon in 15 to 25 mph winds with a reefed main and working jib. 68 degrees which is considered cold for this area. Of course, when it is 100f and 85% humidity in the Summer............. Whitebeard _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!