The problem is caused by the coamings being so hi. The tilting was a suggestion of Lyle Hess aimed at being a compromise. A good crew learns to work things after wrapping a time or two. Not a big problem, but can be annoying. If I were doing it over, i'd use a 7/8 rig, like the Sage 17, which has the shrouds raked aft, allowing a larger working jib The lack of height of the fractional jib is compensated for by using a taller rig.. The Sage is more similar to the tall rig M-17 in terms of area and heeling moment, but is stiffer because of the carbon deck. The winches, as well as the jib fairlead cars, go on the cabintop. The 150 or larger sheets are still sheeted on the rail but by the time the sheets got up to the cabintop the angle is more easy to live with. Cabintop winches are faster and easier for the crew. Lyle designed the rig for the m-17 from my sketches, so that's on me. In the early 70's masthead rigs were all the rage because of the IOR rule, which favored them; that's why I favored it. Quit complaining! jerry ________________________________ From: John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 8:29 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Cc: John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Winches on my M17 Yeah nobody actually said why are the winches canted. Jerry? Dave? Bob? I don't know why for sure, but from the way the sheets run and the coaming sits etc. I have assumed it's for improving the direction and/or angle of the sheets vs. the winch. How the sheets run on and off the winch, etc. If they were flat on the coaming I think the angles would not be so good, regardless of where the blocks were. And probably they can't be perfect for every location of jib sheet blocks so in some cases the angle isn't so great...? cheers John : Winches on my M17
I have a M17 Hull #502 built in 1993. I sailed her for a number of years and could never figure out why the winches are canted out. My wife and I barrel race on Barnegat Bay in NJ and have a difficult time trimming the 150 jib as the line is always crossed over. Any comments on crew positioning are welcome. Thanks
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