Klaas, Checked my British Columbia map and see that you're on the Strait of Georgia on the Vancouver side. There is an active M-boat community to your south, on Puget Sound. I suggest visiting the Pocket Yacht Palooza at Port Townsend on July 19 - 20. You could sail, or drive around, or take the Victoria Ferry across. There will be other M-boaters there with their boats, as well as vendors, probably including sail makers. I plan to drive, too far from the South end of Puget Sound to sail my M-15. Steve M-15 # 335 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Klaas" <santaklaas@telus.net> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 6:02 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails
Thanks to all that replied to my question about geting new sails . Someone asked where I sail and I'm living and sailing out of Richmond B.C. so I hope to find a local sailmaker . Thanks once again to all that answered KLaas ----- Original Message ----- From: <montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 4:17 PM Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 136, Issue 6
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1. Re: Do I need new sails (jerry montgomery) 2. Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails (stevetrapp) 3. Re: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails (Thomas Buzzi) 4. Re: Do I need new sails (Thomas Buzzi) 5. Re: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails (Rich Makela) 6. Mast gates (Thomas Buzzi) 7. Re: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails (Thomas Buzzi) 8. Re: Mast gates (Dave Scobie) 9. Re: Mast gates (Thomas Buzzi) 10. Re: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails (Dave Scobie) 11. Re: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails (Dave Scobie) 12. Re: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails (Thomas Buzzi) 13. Re: Do I need new sails (Daniel Rich) 14. Re: Mast gates (Rick Davies) 15. Re: Do I need new sails (Dave Scobie)
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Message: 1 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 11:27:47 -0700 From: "jerry montgomery" <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails Message-ID: <E9520C239F8148D8B9ED117C279EB144@jerryws10> Content-Type: text/plain; format="flowed"; charset="windows-1252"; reply-type="original"
All the 15's that I made had the same rig. i can't speak for more recent production. I've heard that masts are longer now, but I haven't measured one.
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Rich" <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:29 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails
Yup. You need new sails. And sails for the M15 are quite reasonably priced. I got mine from JudyB at Hyde. She did a fantastic job. Measurements are key, as all these older M boats can have some slight differences. New sails change the boat so much you won?t believe it.
Which reminds me, Judy, I owe you some money and some sails!
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Klaas <santaklaas@telus.net> wrote:
Hi I know this question has been asked before But can't recall the advise that was given. So here it is: I have a 1985 M15 for about 3 years and I just started noticing that the main hangs down about 4 inches at the back. Is this normal or are my 29 year old sails done for and I need new sails? Also where can I find out the sail dimensions for my 1985 M15 is there a web page somewhere ?? Thanks Klaas
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Message: 2 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 11:28:55 -0700 From: "stevetrapp" <stevetrapp@q.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails Message-ID: <176546BFFE574B578D72B66BC94EBCE6@STEVEEW> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original
I have been getting "Delivery Status Notification" indicating that what I send to montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com is not working, but I also get replies from M-boat folks like you, so I guess it really is working. I do not understand the techy stuff involved. I think if I get replies the techy stuff is doing something. Frankly I do not trust a lot of techy stuff, which is among the reasons I like my M-15, not much techy stuff to do with it or to go wrong. Steve M-15 # 335
----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:47 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails
Daniel, As long as you are considering new sails, look into having the main made as a loose footed one. The tack and clew will have to be reinforced more than the usual and you will need to install a bit better mechanical advantage on the outhaul fittings as you will be using it to trim the draft on the main but the boost in performance is said to be considerable. I am looking at new sails for the M17 I have and am seriously considering going the loose footed route. Please reply to this email as I have concerns that my missives to this website are not getting through to anybody. Thanks, Tom B, M17, 1978
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Yup. You need new sails. And sails for the M15 are quite reasonably priced. I got mine from JudyB at Hyde. She did a fantastic job. Measurements are key, as all these older M boats can have some slight differences. New sails change the boat so much you won?t believe it.
Which reminds me, Judy, I owe you some money and some sails!
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Klaas <santaklaas@telus.net> wrote:
Hi I know this question has been asked before But can't recall the advise that was given. So here it is: I have a 1985 M15 for about 3 years and I just started noticing that the main hangs down about 4 inches at the back. Is this normal or are my 29 year old sails done for and I need new sails? Also where can I find out the sail dimensions for my 1985 M15 is there a web page somewhere ?? Thanks Klaas
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Message: 3 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 14:26:18 -0500 From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails Message-ID: <CA+TbpAWzhwg4xaBTTVHaHh2A3-LcCXQqzX7rFiHda3BTvToACw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Thanks for the feedback Steve. Ditto on the "techy stuff". I also get the xmissions trouble notification stuff. Very perturbing since this in one of my favorite sites to kibitz on. Tom B. very low tech M17 #258
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 1:28 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
I have been getting "Delivery Status Notification" indicating that what I send to montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com is not working, but I also get replies from M-boat folks like you, so I guess it really is working. I do not understand the techy stuff involved. I think if I get replies the techy stuff is doing something. Frankly I do not trust a lot of techy stuff, which is among the reasons I like my M-15, not much techy stuff to do with it or to go wrong. Steve M-15 # 335
----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman. xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:47 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails
Daniel, As long as you are considering new sails, look into having the main made as a loose footed one. The tack and clew will have to be reinforced more than the usual and you will need to install a bit better mechanical advantage on the outhaul fittings as you will be using it to trim the draft on the main but the boost in performance is said to be considerable. I am looking at new sails for the M17 I have and am seriously considering going the loose footed route. Please reply to this email as I have concerns that my missives to this website are not getting through to anybody. Thanks, Tom B, M17, 1978
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Yup. You need new sails. And sails for the M15 are quite reasonably
priced. I got mine from JudyB at Hyde. She did a fantastic job. Measurements are key, as all these older M boats can have some slight differences. New sails change the boat so much you won?t believe it.
Which reminds me, Judy, I owe you some money and some sails!
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Klaas <santaklaas@telus.net> wrote:
Hi I know this question has been asked before But can't recall the advise that was given. So here it is: I have a 1985 M15 for about 3 years and I just started noticing that the main hangs down about 4 inches at the back. Is this normal or are my 29 year old sails done for and I need new sails? Also where can I find out the sail dimensions for my 1985 M15 is there a web page somewhere ?? Thanks Klaas
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Message: 4 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 14:43:43 -0500 From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails Message-ID: <CA+TbpAVHZcVh=583xS+yCUnMrT5M3-atPfkHQQJkRgZ7O920Fg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Daniel, thanks for the performance report. Tom B
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
I have the new sails. They are loose footed, and that is the way to go. Much more control of the trim, and just looks pretty too. The Hyde sails are really well made, and have fittings on them that would work for a larger boat. Truly well done. I also have draft stripes on them to help me visualize shape.
My message was a bit confusing because what happened when I ordered my sails is that the main fit perfectly, but the jib was too big. We just messed up on the detail needed for the measurements. JudyB was terrific, and remade the jib for me. I also got a 90 and a 128 percent jib. I still have to send her back the ones that don?t fit, and I got an extra sail so I want to pay her for that.
Daniel On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Daniel, As long as you are considering new sails, look into having the main made as a loose footed one. The tack and clew will have to be reinforced more than the usual and you will need to install a bit better mechanical advantage on the outhaul fittings as you will be using it to trim the draft on the main but the boost in performance is said to be considerable. I am looking at new sails for the M17 I have and am seriously considering going the loose footed route. Please reply to this email as I have concerns that my missives to this website are not getting through to anybody. Thanks, Tom B, M17, 1978
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Yup. You need new sails. And sails for the M15 are quite reasonably priced. I got mine from JudyB at Hyde. She did a fantastic job. Measurements are key, as all these older M boats can have some slight differences. New sails change the boat so much you won?t believe it.
Which reminds me, Judy, I owe you some money and some sails!
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Klaas <santaklaas@telus.net> wrote:
Hi I know this question has been asked before But can't recall the advise that was given. So here it is: I have a 1985 M15 for about 3 years and I just started noticing that the main hangs down about 4 inches at the back. Is this normal or are my 29 year old sails done for and I need new sails? Also where can I find out the sail dimensions for my 1985 M15 is there a web page somewhere ?? Thanks Klaas
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Message: 5 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 15:29:06 -0500 From: "Rich Makela" <richmak@makelaperformance.com> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails Message-ID: <003601cf88d8$7686c150$639443f0$@makelaperformance.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
I received a Delivery Status Notification for the message I sent just after noon today. The Delivery Status Notification arrived a few minutes after my message showed up on the forum. The message comes from system-user@mms.mycricket.com . I had the same thing happen on June 4. I've never seen this kind of thing before. A Google search revealed that mms.mycrickiet.com may not even be a legitimate URL.
Rich Makela M-17 #233 - Harmony
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 2:26 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails
Thanks for the feedback Steve. Ditto on the "techy stuff". I also get the xmissions trouble notification stuff. Very perturbing since this in one of my favorite sites to kibitz on. Tom B. very low tech M17 #258
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 1:28 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
I have been getting "Delivery Status Notification" indicating that what I send to montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com is not working, but I also get replies from M-boat folks like you, so I guess it really is working. I do not understand the techy stuff involved. I think if I get replies the techy stuff is doing something. Frankly I do not trust a lot of techy stuff, which is among the reasons I like my M-15, not much techy stuff to do with it or to go wrong. Steve M-15 # 335
----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman. xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:47 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails
Daniel, As long as you are considering new sails, look into having the main made as a loose footed one. The tack and clew will have to be reinforced more than the usual and you will need to install a bit better mechanical advantage on the outhaul fittings as you will be using it to trim the draft on the main but the boost in performance is said to be considerable. I am looking at new sails for the M17 I have and am seriously considering going the loose footed route. Please reply to this email as I have concerns that my missives to this website are not getting through to anybody. Thanks, Tom B, M17, 1978
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Yup. You need new sails. And sails for the M15 are quite reasonably
priced. I got mine from JudyB at Hyde. She did a fantastic job. Measurements are key, as all these older M boats can have some slight differences. New sails change the boat so much you won?t believe it.
Which reminds me, Judy, I owe you some money and some sails!
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Klaas <santaklaas@telus.net> wrote:
Hi I know this question has been asked before But can't recall the advise that was given. So here it is: I have a 1985 M15 for about 3 years and I just started noticing that the main hangs down about 4 inches at the back. Is this normal or are my 29 year old sails done for and I need new sails? Also where can I find out the sail dimensions for my 1985 M15 is there a web page somewhere ?? Thanks Klaas
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Message: 6 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 15:32:56 -0500 From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Mast gates Message-ID: <CA+TbpAXJgUVtv3GUhbWn9W96GF0O1raKeQGY0WHq+BaHZWq=yQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
After getting the brochure about the Mastgate product line of products I was surprised to find that the mastgate itself is held in place with just shock cord. Has anybody installed one of these and found it to withstand the various strains and pressures placed upon it such that it didn't dent or pop out of place or malfunction in any other fashion? Would like to hear about your experiences with this product. Thanks, Tom B M17, #258
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Message: 7 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 15:37:01 -0500 From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails Message-ID: <CA+TbpAUcjLj3D1DBsTwz4dAq6AnPAoVPGqdUs4fqrdPGqHMgAQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Rich, I just went through the process of unsubscribing and resubscribing to this site to try to clear up this kind of problem. Annoying to say the least. Do you think there is some sort of hacking or just plain mucking around going on?? I also just sent in a request to the members concerning the "Mastgate" product being all it is claimed to be. Be interesting to see if that shows up and how it goes. Tom B
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Rich Makela <richmak@makelaperformance.com> wrote:
I received a Delivery Status Notification for the message I sent just after noon today. The Delivery Status Notification arrived a few minutes after my message showed up on the forum. The message comes from system-user@mms.mycricket.com . I had the same thing happen on June 4. I've never seen this kind of thing before. A Google search revealed that mms.mycrickiet.com may not even be a legitimate URL.
Rich Makela M-17 #233 - Harmony
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 2:26 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails
Thanks for the feedback Steve. Ditto on the "techy stuff". I also get the xmissions trouble notification stuff. Very perturbing since this in one of my favorite sites to kibitz on. Tom B. very low tech M17 #258
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 1:28 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
I have been getting "Delivery Status Notification" indicating that what I send to montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com is not working, but I also get replies from M-boat folks like you, so I guess it really is working. I do not understand the techy stuff involved. I think if I get replies the techy stuff is doing something. Frankly I do not trust a lot of techy stuff, which is among the reasons I like my M-15, not much techy stuff to do with it or to go wrong. Steve M-15 # 335
----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman. xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:47 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails
Daniel, As long as you are considering new sails, look into having the main made as a loose footed one. The tack and clew will have to be reinforced more than the usual and you will need to install a bit better mechanical advantage on the outhaul fittings as you will be using it to trim the draft on the main but the boost in performance is said to be considerable. I am looking at new sails for the M17 I have and am seriously considering going the loose footed route. Please reply to this email as I have concerns that my missives to this website are not getting through to anybody. Thanks, Tom B, M17, 1978
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Yup. You need new sails. And sails for the M15 are quite reasonably
priced. I got mine from JudyB at Hyde. She did a fantastic job. Measurements are key, as all these older M boats can have some slight differences. New sails change the boat so much you won?t believe it.
Which reminds me, Judy, I owe you some money and some sails!
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Klaas <santaklaas@telus.net> wrote:
Hi I know this question has been asked before But can't recall the advise that was given. So here it is: I have a 1985 M15 for about 3 years and I just started noticing that the main hangs down about 4 inches at the back. Is this normal or are my 29 year old sails done for and I need new sails? Also where can I find out the sail dimensions for my 1985 M15 is there a web page somewhere ?? Thanks Klaas
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Message: 8 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 14:37:58 -0600 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast gates Message-ID: <CAGjBOA4Q218LcOFramzoPAuRirtL8wUq90toEzmzrdzqbAQVEQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
I installed one on Sal's and Gail's m15 a couple of years ago when I built them a new standing rig. It has worked just fine.
I have also installed the mastgate on a half dozen sage 17's and all are working fine. I'm installing a mastgate on a brand new sage 17 in the next couple of weeks.
Give Tom a call, or email, and he can describe the system in detail. Very easy to install, and it works great.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA :: Former M15 owner On Jun 15, 2014 2:33 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
After getting the brochure about the Mastgate product line of products I was surprised to find that the mastgate itself is held in place with just shock cord. Has anybody installed one of these and found it to withstand the various strains and pressures placed upon it such that it didn't dent or pop out of place or malfunction in any other fashion? Would like to hear about your experiences with this product. Thanks, Tom B M17, #258
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Message: 9 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 15:40:40 -0500 From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast gates Message-ID: <CA+TbpAUQmdbx9vS_VciSb0tPLKfJfS_T9VZ5gyiXMqXxwB=B_w@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Thanks, Dave, Good news. Guess that goes on my "todo" list. Tom B
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
I installed one on Sal's and Gail's m15 a couple of years ago when I built them a new standing rig. It has worked just fine.
I have also installed the mastgate on a half dozen sage 17's and all are working fine. I'm installing a mastgate on a brand new sage 17 in the next couple of weeks.
Give Tom a call, or email, and he can describe the system in detail. Very easy to install, and it works great.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA :: Former M15 owner On Jun 15, 2014 2:33 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
After getting the brochure about the Mastgate product line of products I was surprised to find that the mastgate itself is held in place with just shock cord. Has anybody installed one of these and found it to withstand the various strains and pressures placed upon it such that it didn't dent or pop out of place or malfunction in any other fashion? Would like to hear about your experiences with this product. Thanks, Tom B M17, #258
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Message: 10 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 14:41:45 -0600 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails Message-ID: <CAGjBOA6AZxX6TknXEnBT85D=tWZcwPZNix3GkGxXuOpLJ0aMxw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
This error message relates to problems with this older listproc software and newer email provider protocols (such as yahoo.com, gmail.com, AOL.com) are using. I had to give up using yahoo.com email and use Gmail. It has worked .... mostly.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA :: Former M15 owner On Jun 15, 2014 2:37 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Rich, I just went through the process of unsubscribing and resubscribing to this site to try to clear up this kind of problem. Annoying to say the least. Do you think there is some sort of hacking or just plain mucking around going on?? I also just sent in a request to the members concerning the "Mastgate" product being all it is claimed to be. Be interesting to see if that shows up and how it goes. Tom B
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Rich Makela < richmak@makelaperformance.com> wrote:
I received a Delivery Status Notification for the message I sent just after noon today. The Delivery Status Notification arrived a few minutes after my message showed up on the forum. The message comes from system-user@mms.mycricket.com . I had the same thing happen on June 4. I've never seen this kind of thing before. A Google search revealed that mms.mycrickiet.com may not even be a legitimate URL.
Rich Makela M-17 #233 - Harmony
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 2:26 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails
Thanks for the feedback Steve. Ditto on the "techy stuff". I also get the xmissions trouble notification stuff. Very perturbing since this in one of my favorite sites to kibitz on. Tom B. very low tech M17 #258
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 1:28 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
I have been getting "Delivery Status Notification" indicating that what I send to montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com is not working, but I also get replies from M-boat folks like you, so I guess it really is working. I do not understand the techy stuff involved. I think if I get replies the techy stuff is doing something. Frankly I do not trust a lot of techy stuff, which is among the reasons I like my M-15, not much techy stuff to do with it or to go wrong. Steve M-15 # 335
----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman. xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:47 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails
Daniel, As long as you are considering new sails, look into having the main made as a loose footed one. The tack and clew will have to be reinforced more than the usual and you will need to install a bit better mechanical advantage on the outhaul fittings as you will be using it to trim the draft on the main but the boost in performance is said to be considerable. I am looking at new sails for the M17 I have and am seriously considering going the loose footed route. Please reply to this email as I have concerns that my missives to this website are not getting through to anybody. Thanks, Tom B, M17, 1978
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Yup. You need new sails. And sails for the M15 are quite reasonably
priced. I got mine from JudyB at Hyde. She did a fantastic job. Measurements are key, as all these older M boats can have some slight differences. New sails change the boat so much you won?t believe it.
Which reminds me, Judy, I owe you some money and some sails!
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Klaas <santaklaas@telus.net> wrote:
> Hi I know this question has been asked before But can't recall the advise that was given. So here it is: I have a 1985 M15 for about 3 years and I just started noticing that the main hangs down about 4 inches at the back. Is this normal or are my 29 year old sails done for and I need new sails? Also where can I find out the sail dimensions for my 1985 M15 is there a web page somewhere ?? > Thanks > Klaas
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Message: 11 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 14:47:15 -0600 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails Message-ID: <CAGjBOA71SWmohrAbq89Hw5CFEfSO=Ez1ziYA-VdHGixMF_nv6g@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
And as an example, the email I sent just a bit ago about the mastgate was listed as being 'unable to deliver' ... though it was delivered.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA :: Former M15 owner On Jun 15, 2014 2:41 PM, "Dave Scobie" <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
This error message relates to problems with this older listproc software and newer email provider protocols (such as yahoo.com, gmail.com, AOL.com) are using. I had to give up using yahoo.com email and use Gmail. It has worked .... mostly.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA :: Former M15 owner On Jun 15, 2014 2:37 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Rich, I just went through the process of unsubscribing and resubscribing to this site to try to clear up this kind of problem. Annoying to say the least. Do you think there is some sort of hacking or just plain mucking around going on?? I also just sent in a request to the members concerning the "Mastgate" product being all it is claimed to be. Be interesting to see if that shows up and how it goes. Tom B
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Rich Makela < richmak@makelaperformance.com> wrote:
I received a Delivery Status Notification for the message I sent just after noon today. The Delivery Status Notification arrived a few minutes after my message showed up on the forum. The message comes from system-user@mms.mycricket.com . I had the same thing happen on June 4. I've never seen this kind of thing before. A Google search revealed that mms.mycrickiet.com may not even be a legitimate URL.
Rich Makela M-17 #233 - Harmony
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 2:26 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails
Thanks for the feedback Steve. Ditto on the "techy stuff". I also get the xmissions trouble notification stuff. Very perturbing since this in one of my favorite sites to kibitz on. Tom B. very low tech M17 #258
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 1:28 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
I have been getting "Delivery Status Notification" indicating that what I send to montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com is not working, but I also get replies from M-boat folks like you, so I guess it really is working. I do not understand the techy stuff involved. I think if I get replies the techy stuff is doing something. Frankly I do not trust a lot of techy stuff, which is among the reasons I like my M-15, not much techy stuff to do with it or to go wrong. Steve M-15 # 335
----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman. xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:47 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails
Daniel, As long as you are considering new sails, look into having the main made as a loose footed one. The tack and clew will have to be reinforced more than the usual and you will need to install a bit better mechanical advantage on the outhaul fittings as you will be using it to trim the draft on the main but the boost in performance is said to be considerable. I am looking at new sails for the M17 I have and am seriously considering going the loose footed route. Please reply to this email as I have concerns that my missives to this website are not getting through to anybody. Thanks, Tom B, M17, 1978
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Yup. You need new sails. And sails for the M15 are quite reasonably > priced. I got mine from JudyB at Hyde. She did a fantastic job. > Measurements are key, as all these older M boats can have some > slight > differences. New sails change the boat so much you won?t believe > it. > > Which reminds me, Judy, I owe you some money and some sails! > > > > Daniel Rich > M15 #208 "Kestrel" > danielgrich@gmail.com > > > > On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Klaas <santaklaas@telus.net> wrote: > > > Hi I know this question has been asked before But can't recall > > the > advise that was given. So here it is: I have a 1985 M15 for about 3 > years and I just started noticing that the main hangs down about 4 > inches at the back. Is this normal or are my 29 year old sails done > for and I need new sails? Also where can I find out the sail > dimensions for my 1985 M15 is there a web page somewhere ?? > > Thanks > > Klaas > > >
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Message: 12 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 16:06:23 -0500 From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails Message-ID: <CA+TbpAX3pO8Vm0K0Snjsj7kVOhaLvq_qU9xO5tTEKtUEiikXWg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Yes, Dave, I got that message. Fun. Tom B
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 3:47 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
And as an example, the email I sent just a bit ago about the mastgate was listed as being 'unable to deliver' ... though it was delivered.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA :: Former M15 owner On Jun 15, 2014 2:41 PM, "Dave Scobie" <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
This error message relates to problems with this older listproc software and newer email provider protocols (such as yahoo.com, gmail.com, AOL.com) are using. I had to give up using yahoo.com email and use Gmail. It has worked .... mostly.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA :: Former M15 owner On Jun 15, 2014 2:37 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Rich, I just went through the process of unsubscribing and resubscribing to this site to try to clear up this kind of problem. Annoying to say the least. Do you think there is some sort of hacking or just plain mucking around going on?? I also just sent in a request to the members concerning the "Mastgate" product being all it is claimed to be. Be interesting to see if that shows up and how it goes. Tom B
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Rich Makela < richmak@makelaperformance.com> wrote:
I received a Delivery Status Notification for the message I sent just after noon today. The Delivery Status Notification arrived a few minutes after my message showed up on the forum. The message comes from system-user@mms.mycricket.com . I had the same thing happen on June
I've never seen this kind of thing before. A Google search revealed that mms.mycrickiet.com may not even be a legitimate URL.
Rich Makela M-17 #233 - Harmony
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 2:26 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Delivery Status Notification Re: Do I need new sails
Thanks for the feedback Steve. Ditto on the "techy stuff". I also get the xmissions trouble notification stuff. Very perturbing since this in one of my favorite sites to kibitz on. Tom B. very low tech M17 #258
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 1:28 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
> I have been getting "Delivery Status Notification" > indicating that what I send to montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com > is not working, but I also get replies from M-boat folks like you, so > I guess it really is working. I do not understand the techy stuff involved. > I think if I get replies the techy stuff is doing something. Frankly > I do not trust a lot of techy stuff, which is among the reasons I like > my M-15, not much techy stuff to do with it or to go wrong. > Steve > M-15 # 335 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Buzzi" > <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats@mailman. > xmission.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:47 AM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails > > > Daniel, > As long as you are considering new sails, look into having the > main > made as a loose footed one. The tack and clew will have to be > reinforced more than the usual and you will need to install a bit > better mechanical advantage on the outhaul fittings as you will be > using it to trim the draft on the main but the boost in > performance is > said to be considerable. I am looking at new sails for the M17 I have > and am seriously considering going the loose footed route. > Please reply to this email as I have concerns that my missives to this > website are not getting through to anybody. > Thanks, > Tom B, M17, 1978 > > > On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Daniel Rich < danielgrich@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Yup. You need new sails. And sails for the M15 are quite > reasonably >> priced. I got mine from JudyB at Hyde. She did a fantastic job. >> Measurements are key, as all these older M boats can have some slight >> differences. New sails change the boat so much you won?t believe it. >> >> Which reminds me, Judy, I owe you some money and some sails! >> >> >> >> Daniel Rich >> M15 #208 "Kestrel" >> danielgrich@gmail.com >> >> >> >> On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Klaas <santaklaas@telus.net> wrote: >> >> > Hi I know this question has been asked before But can't recall the >> advise that was given. So here it is: I have a 1985 M15 for about >> 3 >> years and I just started noticing that the main hangs down about >> 4 >> inches at the back. Is this normal or are my 29 year old sails >> done >> for and I need new sails? Also where can I find out the sail >> dimensions for my 1985 M15 is there a web page somewhere ?? >> > Thanks >> > Klaas >> >> >> > >
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Message: 13 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 14:38:16 -0700 From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails Message-ID: <-7787852396803548498@unknownmsgid> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Interesting. My 1981 is a stock boat with 3 owners including me. Judy got the sail plans from you, but the jib was 6 inches too long!
Daniel
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On Jun 15, 2014, at 11:27 AM, jerry montgomery <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:
All the 15's that I made had the same rig. i can't speak for more recent production. I've heard that masts are longer now, but I haven't measured one.
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Rich" <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:29 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails
Yup. You need new sails. And sails for the M15 are quite reasonably priced. I got mine from JudyB at Hyde. She did a fantastic job. Measurements are key, as all these older M boats can have some slight differences. New sails change the boat so much you won?t believe it.
Which reminds me, Judy, I owe you some money and some sails!
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Klaas <santaklaas@telus.net> wrote:
Hi I know this question has been asked before But can't recall the advise that was given. So here it is: I have a 1985 M15 for about 3 years and I just started noticing that the main hangs down about 4 inches at the back. Is this normal or are my 29 year old sails done for and I need new sails? Also where can I find out the sail dimensions for my 1985 M15 is there a web page somewhere ?? Thanks Klaas
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Message: 14 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 17:57:07 -0400 From: Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast gates Message-ID: <CA+0OvVjppPn+nVB5xcZ9-tDbnsa28TEdZ_t-qi4ecstap2-FOQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Tom,
I've had one installed for a couple of seasons and it works great. The shock cord did lose some of it's zing after a while and I had to tighten it up, but it's been fine since. I was dubious myself at first, and do carry a spare bit of cord just in case, but it's held up well, and it sure beats futzing with a sail stop, and it lets me keep the sail on the boom with a cover. The buttons that cover the knots in the cord, however, don't stay on, so I just don't use them.
Good luck,
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Sunday, June 15, 2014, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
After getting the brochure about the Mastgate product line of products I was surprised to find that the mastgate itself is held in place with just shock cord. Has anybody installed one of these and found it to withstand the various strains and pressures placed upon it such that it didn't dent or pop out of place or malfunction in any other fashion? Would like to hear about your experiences with this product. Thanks, Tom B M17, #258
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Message: 15 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 17:16:59 -0600 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do I need new sails Message-ID: <CAGjBOA502LzidiwL1FMX3-Jow9PWfC15mr39YsSXwXvjiqkktg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Klaas, the likely cause for your clew is lower than the tack is the luff bolt rope has shrunk. original sails to a Jerry built boat ... any M15 built by Jerry ... are in need of replacement.
another sailmaker is Harry at Elliott/Pattison Sailmakers -
www.ep*sails*.com
Harry is the OEM loft for the current Mboats.
be sure to measure your boat before ordering sails ... there are variations. some of these could be caused by prior owner's. i've built new standing rigs for four M15s. two different measurements for four different boats. all boats built by Jerry.
a sail cleaning/conditioning service will not fix a blown out sail. such a service is good for cleaning a in good condition sail, say one less than 10 or so years old. no amount of conditioning can 'save' a 20+ year old sail.
order a new main with a loose foot. with improved outhaul hardware attached to the boom much MUCH more sail control.
besides a loose foot i recommend the main have two reef points. the working jib, about 128%, is a good working headsail. with a double reefed tucked in and the working jib (128%) the boat is good to a bit over 20 kts.
new sails are like 'turbo charging' your boat. she will sail faster, closer to the wind, and heel less.
-- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
On Jun 15, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Klaas <santaklaas@telus.net> wrote:
Hi I know this question has been asked before But can't recall the
advise
that was given. So here it is: I have a 1985 M15 for about 3 years and I just started noticing that the main hangs down about 4 inches at the back. Is this normal or are my 29 year old sails done for and I need new sails? Also where can I find out the sail dimensions for my 1985 M15 is there a web page somewhere ?? Thanks Klaas
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