None that I know of! jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray@embarqmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 10:44 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 backstay
Jerry, Last year I used your advice for the bits and pieces to make an adjuster and found it to be very easy to use. And yes, you can see immediately the results of tensioning the adjuster. I just wasn't sure why some folks were steering away from squeezing the split stays. So there's no problem that affect the integrity of the stays?? Thanks, Joe M17 SeaFrog----- Original Message ----- From: jerry To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 9:25 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 backstay
Joe- I actually prefer the 'squeezer" type of adjuster; It's instant in that it releases instantly, and you can visually look at it see exactly how tight it is. If adjusted properly, the rig is loose enough to stick in the pin at the headstay, and in normal conditions, when turning downwind, you just pop the control line out of the cleat and the jib automatically becomes fuller. If there is more wind, you can still leave some of the tension on it to keep things a bit flatter if you want. This type of adjuster is not quite as clean in that it's got a couple of small blocks and some line dragging in the wind but it actually works very well on small boats.
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray@embarqmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 7:37 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 backstay
I've heard a couple of comments regarding the use of a backstay adjuster that squeezes the split stays. Is there some reason not to do this. I have an adjuster on my M17 that is a simple 3 purchase pulley and a cam cleat that works very well but I'm curious why squeezing the split stays is taboo for some. Just curious. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary M Hyde To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 11:39 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 backstay
Thanks, Tom. ~~~_/)~~~ Gary ☺
On Jul 8, 2011, at 5:11 PM, Tom Jenkins wrote:
Gary, As far as I can tell without having one to hand, the model I bought is the same size as my present turnbuckle, with a jawed toggle on the bottom secured to the triatic plate with a 1/4 inch pin. The device doesn't come with its own backstay, so I assume my backstay (hopefully with 1/4-28 threads) screws into the top of the turnbuckle in the standard way, although the picture shows a nut on the end. Frankly, I wish I had looked at Larry's installation on Corndog more closely, but the thing looked so simple that I was not concerned. As I say, we shall see.
http://www.csjohnson.com/marinecatalog/z00033.htm
On Jul 8, 2011, at 3:57 PM, Gary M Hyde wrote:
Tom: How will you attach it to the backstay? ~~~_/)~~~ Gary ☺
On Jul 8, 2011, at 9:18 AM, Tom Jenkins wrote:
Gary, I looked at all the options, and I decided that the simple solution Larry used was better for a simple person like me than one of those rigs that squeezes the split backstay. As you can see if the link below works, the rig is not cheap, but I could find the 01-114 model only at Defender, and the price seemed to be about the same everywhere. Hopefully it will do what I have in mind.
Have you noticed that nautical stuff containing bronze and/or stainless steel is pricey?
http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|118|107602|298804&id=205004
Best Wishes, Tom
On Jul 7, 2011, at 6:42 PM, Gary M Hyde wrote:
Tom: Where will you buy the "Handy Lock"? Price?
~~~_/)~~~Gary Hyde 2005 M17 #637 sailboat 'Hydeaway 2'
On Jul 5, 2011, at 11:53 AM, Tom Jenkins wrote:
> Thanks, Bob. That clears up the matter of different wire sizes,
and now I am sure what I have. My backstay does not need to be replaced yet, but I need the size so I can order the correct "Handy Lock" backstay adjuster.
> Tom Jenkins > 2004 M17 Scintilla > > On Jul 5, 2011, at 10:45 AM, Bob Eeg wrote: > >> >> Tom...we use 1/8 inch for the backstay and 5/32 for the headstay. (to run various headstay furlers 5/32 works best) >> >> Price on a new backstay (not counting the legs) with stud for the turnbuckle and eye at the top is $35 (postage not included) >> >> Fair winds >> Bob >> >> >>> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com >>> From: tjenk@gte.net >>> Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 14:06:52 -0700 >>> Subject: M_Boats: M17 backstay >>> >>> Hi gang, >>> I am having a time getting the backstay wire diameter on my M17 '04 >>> model; my dial calipers say just over 1/8, but not definitively 5/32? >>> (actually the reading is about 9/64). Anybody have the true figure? >>> The thread size on the swaging appears to be 1/4". >>> Thanks, >>> Tom Jenkins >>> M17 Scintilla >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >>> >>> When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> >> When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet!
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