good call Howard! i should have sail 'middle aged' 17s ;-) when did the 17's go from the metal framed windows to the look like the 15s? SWEET PEA is a '83 with the 'modern/new' deck/cabin/cockpit mold, but still having the 'old' steel punchings ballast and cast iron centerboard. --- On Wed, 3/24/10, Howard Audsley <haudsley@tranquility.net> wrote: The older M17's and newer ones do not have the same port windows. The older ones used two piece aluminum frames. One piece had a channel that held the glass in place with a piece of rubber channel gasket. If memory serves, those frames were made from several pieces, which were either riveted or soldered together. It went on the outside. Inside was the second piece, which screwed to the outside piece. The cabin itself is flush, with a port window sized cutout. The newer boats do away with the frame and simply screw the plexiglass to the side of the cabin, but inset into an indention that is formed into the cabin. I ran into all kinds of trouble replacing my side lights, as I could not find the rubber channel gasket. So I did a "modern" replacement: http://audasea.montgomeryowners.com/?p=20 In retrospect, you might also go with a thicker plexi or lexan to fill the gap in the metal frames and use silicone or bed them using the same black sealant glazing compound the car guys use with windshields. On Mar 23, 2010, at 10:00 PM, W David Scobie wrote:
Neil: i believed that the current build and older Mboats use the same shaped cabin windows ... and bob e. confirms! we monty's are lucky that the boat is still in production! $20 bucks ... lot less than collecting the material, bit(s), cutting (and mistakes), etc. i need to replace SWEET PEA's windows. the port window is so crazed as to be almost impossible to see out. this is the window over the galley, so i wonder if heat is the cause as the starboard windows have 1/10th the crazing? SWEET PEA spent most of her 'before me' life on-buoy 1/2 the year. the usual orientation in her anchorage was port side facing the afternoon and evening sun. the starboard faced a tree-covered shore.
nothing lasts forever! dave scobie M17 #375 - SWEET PEA visit SWEET PEA's www-site - http://www.m17-375.webs.com
--- On Tue, 3/23/10, Bob From California <ocean37@hotmail.com> wrote:
Neil....
Why Lexan..?..Lexan cannot be tinted and it scratches easily.
We use ACRYLIC smoke tinted windows on the production M Boats and they are 1/4 inch thick.
Why spend the money $ on a Router Bit and a half sheet of Lexan or Acrylic when you can buy new windows already to install for $20 each from us...?
They come cut out and all you would have to do is have someone hold them in place while you back drill the new holes. We use Marine Silicon (no mold issues).
Fair winds, Bob www.montgomeryboats.com www.norseayachts.com (949) 489-8227