Thanks, Tom, Bill, and Howard, for the response to my compression post problems. My posts are spar stock, not round. I assume round would be more stable. Are the originals round (circular at the cap ends)? Mine did have caps screwed or bolted where they met at the bunk level, but not at the block below the mast base. There it was just jammed in place. Not right. -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 10:27 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 62, Issue 7 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner@mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Raven (Nebwest2@aol.com) 2. Re: Raven (Larry E Yake) 3. Re: Furling line (Tim Diebert) 4. Raven (Nebwest2@aol.com) 5. Mast step compression post bedding compound (David C. Patterson) 6. Re: Mast step compression post bedding compound (Tom Smith) 7. Re: Mast step compression post bedding compound (Wcpritchett@aol.com) 8. Re: Mast step compression post bedding compound (Howard Audsley) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 23:47:52 EDT From: Nebwest2@aol.com Subject: M_Boats: Raven To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <c68.2766d59f.3529a1e8@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" You go Larry!!!! Two weeks in '09??? I'm in! If I have to spend a week on the road, might as well spend two solid weeks enjoying the trip!!!! I wish it were this year.......14 months to go! Saving my vacation time already! Sean M23 Dauntless **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 21:09:27 -0700 From: Larry E Yake <leyake@juno.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Raven To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <20080405.210927.2064.7.leyake@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Better start saving gas money, too! On Sat, 5 Apr 2008 23:47:52 EDT Nebwest2@aol.com writes:
You go Larry!!!! Two weeks in '09??? I'm in! If I have to spend a week on the road, might as well spend two solid weeks enjoying the trip!!!! I wish it were this year.......14 months to go!
Saving my vacation time already!
Sean M23 Dauntless
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------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 15:37:38 -0700 From: "Tim Diebert" <tim@timtone.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Furling line To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <001901c89836$d153dfd0$73fb9f70$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" My 17 had a furler on it when I bought it. For the short time it was there (I am not a fan) I used stantion mounted fairleads to run furling line back to the coaming and to a swivel cam cleat. It gets line and hardware off the narrow side deck. They work very well and look like this. http://relimg.reliancemarine.com/455.jpg My units swivel and adjust to suit the line angle....but the one pictured is fixed I believe. You get the idea. Mine is now used for a downhaul. Tim in Kelowna M17 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of JDavies104@aol.com Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 2:05 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Furling line I'm putting a CDI furler on my M-17 and would like to take advantage of others experience as to the best way to run the furling line back to the cockpit. There are at least a couple of ways I can think of to do it, so if anyone particularly likes (or doesn't like, and would do it differently if they had it to do over) the arrangement they have, I'd like to know how you did it and why you either like (or don't like) it. I'm trying to minimize the holes in the deck, particularly since the next one I drill will be my first, so I'd like to get it at least close to right the first time. Thanks and Happy Spring to all! Rick M-17 #633 Lynne L ************** Planning your summer road trip? 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(http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 09:44:43 -0600 From: "David C. Patterson" <davidcpatterson@msn.com> Subject: M_Boats: Mast step compression post bedding compound To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <BLU115-DAV1247B46D31976F77DE1C55ACF30@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Here's something that I need help and information about that perhaps someone on the list has dealt with. My new/old M17 Cloud Girl (#393) is sitting on the trailer while I get acquainted with all the work ahead of me. I want to get her on the water this summer at a local reservoir. But...I bought the boat based on an ad, sight unseen, because it was too far away. The ad cited a new mast as one attraction. Of course, I began to wonder. What happened to the old one? I learned that it broke off at the spreaders, no reason given why. I found the port shroud turnbuckles had some bent toggles and damaged parts to replace (and she is more than overdue for all the standing rigging to be re-done). Looking further into things I discovered that the mast compression post seemed not to be quite straight. So I delved even further to discover my current problem. Under the forward berth there is a 15 inch post down to the mast step. The mast step is partly molded into the liner. My compression post there is of the same stock as my boom, 2 inch diameter and complete with sail groove. (Please pardon my lack of nautical terms here.) It was definitely not vertical, but at an observable angle, and crudely bedded in silicon caulk. I took out the upper post, and removed wires that were running in the sail groove of that (in fact removed all the wiring for future replacement), and cut the caulk to release the lower compression post. I discovered one end of the post was poorly sawn--uneven--but I easily filed it flat (with only 45 minutes of steady labor). Now...what do I use to re-bed it on the step? The silicon caulk was easy to remove, but seems not to provide any strength at an important spot. Would 3M 5200 or some similar stuff be a better choice? Should some sort of metal or plastic keeper be bonded in place? I am in a "do-it-right" frame of mind about this. When I put the upper post back I think I also need to know how to properly connect it to the 3/4 inch wooden backer for the mast connection above, as well. Anybody out there have any information or advice for me about these problems? And Danielle in Ketchikan, my daughter lived in Ketchikan, not me. But I got to see where you are. For sailing, it beats being a mile up in a near desert. Oh well! David in Boulder ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 08:55:42 -0700 From: "Tom Smith" <openboatt@gmail.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast step compression post bedding compound To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <000501c898c7$d641f5e0$6501a8c0@Fairfield> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I suspect, because there is only compression loading on the support, sheer strength is really not important with the lower post David, and that 5200 would work fine. Matter of fact, it's probably better not to install it in a more permanent fashion so you can remove it easily in the future if necessary. 5200 is probably permanent enough. I've never removed the upper compression post, so I don't know how it's connected. Someone else will have to weight in on that one... Tom Just My 2 Cents ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 12:01:12 EDT From: Wcpritchett@aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast step compression post bedding compound To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <d1c.20120d6d.352b9f48@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" If I understand correctly you are asking what to use as a structural gap filler to be used in compression at the base of the mast. If that's the question then the answer is NO. No caulk is structural in compression. Adhesive caulk like 5200 could be termed "structural" for gluing but not structural in compression where the surface isn't supposed to flex. Build the gap with structural epoxy filler. Bill P. **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 11:26:53 -0500 From: Howard Audsley <haudsley@tranquility.net> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast step compression post bedding compound To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <c3868685ba578f9fcebb42f13819a9bf@tranquility.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On my 1978 M17, there are two compression posts inside the cabin. http://www.msogphotosite.com/MSOG/b17audasea/b17audasea2.jpg and http://www.msogphotosite.com/MSOG/b17audasea/b17audasea4.jpg One above the bunk and a shorter one under the bunk. Going from memory but it seems to me that both are round tubes fitted inside brackets that are screwed in place. Sounds like somebody has jury rigged a replacement. And a new problem I've never heard of before! I think you will be happier if you can replace those tubes and brackets with original equipment. The mast step can be replaced too. Some really nice ones have been made. An equally big job might be getting all the mast hardware installed in all the right places. All of these would be important for performance and structural integrity. I'd go slow on this one. Be patient and get it right. Howard On Apr 7, 2008, at 10:55 AM, Tom Smith wrote:
I suspect, because there is only compression loading on the support, sheer strength is really not important with the lower post David, and that 5200 would work fine. Matter of fact, it's probably better not to install it in a more permanent fashion so you can remove it easily in the future if necessary. 5200 is probably permanent enough.
I've never removed the upper compression post, so I don't know how it's connected. Someone else will have to weight in on that one...
Tom Just My 2 Cents
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