I keep my 3 gal tank in the starboard locker. After checking to make sure it did not leak fumes into the cabin I put a large plastic vent in the cockpit wall. I leave the fuel line coiled inside the locker and pull it out when needed. A split pool noodle on the front lip of the locker keeps the lid from closing down on the hose. If I was in a location where I used the motor more frequently I would run the fuel line permanently through a dedicated hole. Henry Monita On Wed, May 20, 2020, 7:24 PM TIm Brown <tim-brown@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Rob...
It is the cleat you have bolted to the toe rail. It looks like the previous owner fabricated it from the picture. I have a jib furler line that I would like to cleat about where that cleat seems to be located on your boat.
Tim
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Bultman Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 10:19 AM To: John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net>; For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: outboard questions
Tim, you will have to forgive me. The boat is rigged as I received from the previous owner, and being new to sailing I don't know what a springline cleat is!
On Wed, May 20, 2020, 1:16 PM Rob Bultman <rob.bultman@gmail.com> wrote:
John, both Mercury and Tohatsu are making 20" propane models.
On Wed, May 20, 2020, 12:55 PM John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Is someone making a 20" shaft propane now? I looked into the Lehr models but they only had short shaft a couple years ago. They are a bit heavier for same HP as gas motors (2.3 and 3.5 hp gas that is - as mentioned if you go to 4 hp you have the weight of a 6 hp).
More shortly re my setup...
cheers, John
On 5/20/20 8:21 AM, Rob Bultman wrote:
Thanks or the replies so far. I'm frankly on the fence regarding gas vs propane. I'm leaning towards the Mercury 5 HP sail power model, 20" long shaft, mostly because it has reverse on the handle. Is the 20" adequate or is the extra long shaft better?
Dave - I have a 1977 M17 with the cutout. I've attach two photos that I happen to have that show the transom of my actual boat. What is the concern here?
Thanks, Rob
On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 10:17 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Rob:
First a question for you - what year is your M17? There is one issue that relates to the older 'first desk version' Mk1 boats with the outboard cutout in the transom that is different than the second generation Mk2 boats.
A 4HP motor is more than enough for the M17. Sadly there are no more true 4HP motors made - most are now the same as a 6HP with de-rated carbs. This also means the motors weigh more than a true 4HP motor. Weight aft is bad. (Motor I always wish I had was the true 4HP Yamaha.). The new Honda 4/5/6 are excellent but way to heavy. I had a Suzuki 4 (6 is the same motor with external tank and alternator options).
Place your external tank at the aft end of the cockpit footwell. Two reasons: #1 is the aft locker of the Mk2 boats is NOT safe for fuel storage as it is open to the cabin. #2 is the fuel can sitting at the aft end of the cockpit will encourage you to sit at the proper location near the head of the tiller NOT at the back of the cockpit! For most M17s this sitting location is just aft of the cockpit mainsheet floor traveler track (again there are some differences in the boats with traveler placement).
The gas can doesn't get in the way.
Propane has some negatives - mainly fuel tank storage, less range, refilling when cruising and the Lehr build quality is poor. IMO gasoline is still the best bet for a cruiser.
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On Wed, May 20, 2020, 4:31 AM Rob Bultman <rob.bultman@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm looking at getting an outboard for my M17 and I have a few questions.
1) If you have an external fuel tank, where do you keep it when you are under sail? 2) If you have an external fuel tank, where do you keep it when you are under power? 3) To what degree does the fuel tank get in the way either when under sail or power? 4) Any opinions on gasoline vs propane outboards?
Thanks, Rob
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