Thanks Skipper Most M15 M17 are not cruising in unchartered water. Just bring aboard the ground tackle for the condition. Leave the rest in the dock box. Im going to anchor PELICAM M15 at little harbor in Little Harbor Catalina (20 ft depth with sandy bottom. (20 ft chain 150 rope Danforth 20#) one for bow and stern just in case they are using 2 anchors If bad weather is forecast I will get out of there and spent the night at sea sailing back to oceanside instead of the windward side of Catalina (plan B). This from is great and make owing a Mongomery fun. Capt Jim -----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2024 4:44 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Cc: John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Anchor chain Yep, that's what "they" say, whoever "they" are...:-) There are other perspectives out there - as Groucho famously said, "Those are my principles! If you don't like them...I have others!" Silliness aside, for my uses to date, it makes zero sense to wrestle with 17 ft of chain to no benefit and much extra weight and muddiness. And when I'm eventually cruising more challenging tidal waters I'll have approximately as much chain as "they" say. Some point out that boat length per se has little to do with how the anchor, chain, rode, and lake/sea bottom actually interact. And boat length does not necessarily correlate to boat weight and/or windage (think multi-hulls; unballasted camp cruisers; expedition loaded vs. day-sailing; chunky pilot house motor-sailors vs. low-slung minimum-windage designs; etc.). It's a bit like choosing anchor size, to me. Most manufacturer charts are based on very generic assumptions about boat size and weight correlation. Works well perhaps for medium to huge ballasted monohulls. But what if one's boat doesn't fit those standard assumptions? M17s often don't - they tend to be in one length category, but a different displacement category. We can say "when in doubt go bigger," but what about the possible downsides of trying to manage an oversized, overweight anchor on a small boat? Just some thoughts to ponder. I'm all for reason-and-testing backed SOP, but not much for Stale Old Protocol. cheers, John On 2/21/24 15:48, Dave Scobie wrote:
John.
SOP is for chain length to be at least the length of the boat.
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" On Wed, Feb 21, 2024, 15:43 John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Re chain...
My all purpose anchor is a Rocna 4, I have about 5 ft of chain on it. To date, only about 70 ft of rode on that one, as I am in lakes with no tidal action, and anchoring in shallow and sheltered waters (around 5-15 ft.).
Not fully set up yet, but for eventual harder-core situations, is a slightly heavier Mantus M2 for which I have about 15 ft of chain and much longer rode, don't recall length at the moment, it's stored for the winter. When I get to cruising tidal waters I'll also be carrying extra length of rode.
cheers, John
All the lake anchoring I've done to date doesn't need lots of chain so I am not going to wrestle with lots of chain to no purpose.
On 2/21/24 05:59, Dave Scobie wrote:
20' of chain and 200' of rope. Also have a secondary anchor with the same rode. Carry a extra 200' of rope if needed.
So yes can tie together 600' of rope.
Tide range on Salish Sea is 10-15' (usually). Even with all this rode I've only ever needed to put out 200' of rope.
Nice thing about a small boat is can anchor in shallow areas where larger boats cannot fit!
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On Tue, Feb 20, 2024, 22:45 Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:
How are you skippers marking anchor chain/rope?
How much chain do you carry?
Thanks
Capt Jim
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